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'Tone Poet' Jazz Reissue Series*

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by cds23, Dec 23, 2018.

  1. astro70

    astro70 Forum Resident

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    Southern Illinois
    Sometimes I think I’m going crazy because I hear very clear distortion either from mic overloading or miss-tracking despite spending countless hours checking and rechecking my cart alignment. Meanwhile everyone else is raving about the sound quality of these reissues and I’m wondering what I’m doing wrong. I guess it’s probably just Rudy’s recording Technics. I don’t really have an issue with anything besides 50s-60s jazz. Almost every other reissue I buy sounds fine. I guess it’s not my system then. And the crazy part is I have argued with people over this and they swear that the distortion I hear is not there...

    I don’t have a problem if the distortion is part of the tape. I can accept that it’s just a part of the music and a product of its time and of Rudy. I can’t accept misstracking on most of the reissue jazz records I buy, which is what I keep assuming I’m hearing.
     
  2. Pushpaw

    Pushpaw Forum Resident

    The MMJ releases are “warts and all” including artifacts in the recordings. Same with the TP and all the Blue Notes done by KG. It’s how you know no effects or anything have been applied.
     
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  3. astro70

    astro70 Forum Resident

    Location:
    Southern Illinois
    And it’s always Kevin cut LPs I notice it on too. Absolutely no problem if that’s whats on the tape. It seems like some people think they know what they’re talking about with this stuff, but they can’t even tell you what an overloaded mic sounds like though. I mean most of these recordings aren’t “audiophile”. They were recorded live, mixed live, and have lots of blemishes. It doesn’t make them bad recordings though because it’s the music that’s important.
     
  4. Dougthesnail

    Dougthesnail The Big Gabagool

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    Winnipeg
    A lot of Blue Note Recordings suffer from mic overload, and unfortunately that is a by product of mixing live, as you mentioned.

    Context matters and Blue Note was a label with a demographic of mostly lower working class African Americans. They simply couldn't afford endless takes, returns, etc. Basically one shot to get it right.
     
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  5. Spencer R

    Spencer R Forum Resident

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    Oxford, MS
    Which is a big part of why the records are so great.
     
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  6. fndrblndr

    fndrblndr Forum Resident

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    Seattle
    ...and why some albums were shelved.
     
  7. Spencer R

    Spencer R Forum Resident

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    Oxford, MS
    I always thought some albums were shelved because they were literally recording sessions faster than the market would bear. But I’m no expert on why Blue Note made every decision they made.

    As Miles Davis famously remarked, though, “If you never make a mistake [playing jazz], that’s a mistake.” If the point of the music is that it’s supposed to be truly improvised, you would expect the musicians to make some mistakes from time to time.

    If a guy occasionally hit a wrong note or Rudy Van Gelder occasionally pushed a fader too high, so what?
     
  8. Dougthesnail

    Dougthesnail The Big Gabagool

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    Winnipeg
    That's why Rudy mastered the way he did so it would play on the worst of turntables but the music could still be enjoyed.
     
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  9. astro70

    astro70 Forum Resident

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    Southern Illinois
    Yeah, it’s a product of the times. I love plenty of recordings that are far from audiophile. As a matter fact, probably my favorites of all time could be considered lo-fi. I just don’t want to damage these records by allowing them to misstrack. I would mention I heard distortion and a lot of times people would tell me it must be my system. I’ve concluded that it’s probably the tapes, not the records or my system. If a perfectly aligned Technics with an ML stylus can’t track these, You’d have to spend a lot more on a table just to listen to them which wouldn’t make sense.

    My comments were in no way bashing these recordings. They are some of the most legendary, priceless recordings of all time. I just have an issue with “audiophiles” not knowing what mic overload is.
     
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  10. mpayan

    mpayan Forum Resident

    Got "The Rajah" in. Very nice sounding. Still like the album eventhough the reviews here seem to be split.

    And the weird cover really does look better in person. Its actually pretty cool looking. Glad TP/BN changed it.
     
  11. Jeffrey Weiss

    Jeffrey Weiss Forum Resident

    Location:
    Philadelphia
    I’ve had one or two that have torn in two places from the excess adhesive. Most tears are in the middle and I wouldn’t rule out that a shifting disc during shipping could weaken the paper. But most of my tears split “while” I’m opening the jacket, and I already have the disc removed.
     
  12. John Duffield

    John Duffield Active Member

    Two places actually, Rotate This at Ossington and Dundas and Kops Records Danforth east of Broadview. Queen west of University at Kops would be the same price. Kops does have three stores so they transfer LP's between each store daily if the one you visit doesn't have it in stock. If the item is not in stock, they'll do a special order at the same price. I caught up on the majority of 2020 releases this way. Hope that helps.
     
  13. John Duffield

    John Duffield Active Member

    I'm not exactly sure why you're experiencing this problem unless you're fully opening the jacket (flattening it out). Even my original Impulse will not open fully unless forced and I'm sure with the same results you're experiencing. Mind you, the adhesive used now may also be different and their holding ability might not allow a full opening without tearing. Just a guess since I don't open any gatefold to it's full extent.
     
  14. John Duffield

    John Duffield Active Member

    Blue Note was the one label that invested in pre-production costs including paying their artists for rehearsal time so I doubt what you say. Perhaps RVG was cranking the needle to achieve more energy in the recording session?
     
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  15. John Duffield

    John Duffield Active Member

    Is there any interest in TP or Classic reissues in mono? As nice as it is to have all these pressings, it'd be nice to have a mono reissue programme at the same quality level. Would it not?
     
  16. astro70

    astro70 Forum Resident

    Location:
    Southern Illinois
    I’m not sure that warrants an entire separate series, but I would like if more of these titles were mono, or at least the ones where a dedicated mono mix exists. For the stuff that was just a fold down to mono I see no point, just hit the mono switch on your amp.
     
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  17. scotti

    scotti Forum Resident

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    Atlanta GA
    Am I dreaming, did I just notice that Iggy Pop is on two songs from the soon to be released new record from Dr. Lonnie Smith, I'm so all over this one!
     
  18. Josquin des Prez

    Josquin des Prez Forum Resident

    I don't care for the mono if it was recorded stereo, unless there is something wrong with the stereo mix. I'm not interested in mono just for the sake of mono.
     
  19. Marko K

    Marko K Forum Resident

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    EU, Estonia
    Good portion of the mono mixes are actually folddowns of the stereo tape so no point in releasing the monos.
     
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  20. Dougthesnail

    Dougthesnail The Big Gabagool

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    Winnipeg
    No worries, friend. It's the same as any hobby really lots of people talk out of their asses.
     
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  21. mpayan

    mpayan Forum Resident

    Listening to Jack Wilson today. Would be a nice surprise to get an album from this artist on a TP. "Easterly Winds" I guess is his more known album. I like "Something Personal" much better in that its not the same ol' same ol' and is explorative just up to the point of not being too out there. If one hasnt heard this album I think its great and would make for an awesome TP:

    Starts off slow and ethereal but then really takes off..Roy Ayers on vibes. If one enjoys Bobby Hutcherson then I cant imagine this album not being appealing.

     
  22. blutiga

    blutiga Forum Resident

    You're not dreaming. Truth is stranger than fiction :)
     
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  23. Dougthesnail

    Dougthesnail The Big Gabagool

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    Winnipeg
    Joe Harley has spoken on this very issue... Steve Hoffman has also spoken about the Mic overload.
     
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  24. Spencer R

    Spencer R Forum Resident

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    Oxford, MS
    What’s done is done: no one can travel back in time and make Rudy re-record the albums the way we think they ought to have been recorded. They are what they are, and thank God they exist. If a trumpet’s occasionally in the red on some of the albums, so what? Everyone involved did the best they could.
     
  25. Dougthesnail

    Dougthesnail The Big Gabagool

    Location:
    Winnipeg
    I was quoting the poster who inferred I was making up what I was saying.
     
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