Tracking the Led Zeppelin Barry Diament Cds

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  1. Aramis12

    Aramis12 Member Thread Starter

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    Hi. I'm trying to get the first 4 albums of Led Zeppelin 80s remasters by Barry Diament, but I'm having a hard time.

    Are all the 80s CD versions listed on discogs from the 80s, Barry's work?

    I've succesfully tracked one version of the first 3 on discogs:

    I: Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin
    II: Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin III
    II: Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin III

    However I'm wondering if there are more version I can choose from and also where can I find is LZ IV? :(

    Thank you!
     
  2. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialistâ„¢

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    You can safely choose any original CD pressing prior to the George Marino remasters that started in 1990. Anything prior, from I up to In Through The Out Door was done by Barry except of course IV that was done by Joe Sidore.
     
  3. Crawdad

    Crawdad Detroit Rock Citizen

    Didn't barry do Coda also.
     
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  4. johnny q

    johnny q Forum Resident

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    Yes he did- correct.
     
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  5. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialistâ„¢

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    Oops, I forgot about Coda.
     
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  6. Aramis12

    Aramis12 Member Thread Starter

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    Thank you! :)
     
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  7. stillrockin

    stillrockin Forum Resident

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    Isn't there an issue that some versions of the Sidore IV have the channels reversed??
     
  8. Crawdad

    Crawdad Detroit Rock Citizen

    I've never heard this.
     
  9. Crawdad

    Crawdad Detroit Rock Citizen

    There's a guy on Facebook Market Place who has a few for sale and if they're like any of the other things I've bought from him, they're in NM quality.
     
  10. Crawdad

    Crawdad Detroit Rock Citizen

    oops sorry he doesn't ship
     
  11. stillrockin

    stillrockin Forum Resident

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    There are several threads on Led Zep mastering ( surprisingly enough). I found this one which discusses the issue

    Led Zeppelin IV original CD question
     
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  12. PatMcC

    PatMcC Active Member

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    Were original Led Zeppelin Canadian CDs done by Barry Diament. Trying to track down some of his LZ CDs. Thanks.
     
  13. tmtomh

    tmtomh Forum Resident

    Every pre-1990s Led Zeppelin CD was mastered by Barry Diament (except LZ IV, mastered by Joe Sidore as noted by @Dave above). The 1990s George Marino remasters say something like "Mastered by George Marino at Sterling Sound" on the back inserts, and the CDs themselves have either the red and green Atlantic label design, or (for Presence through Coda) a color silkscreen of the Swan Song records logo.

    The 2014/2015 John Davis remasters come in card wallet cases.

    So if a Led Zeppelin CD comes in a jewel case and does not have the Marino text on the back and the disc-face designs noted above, it's a 1980s version. And those 1980s versions all have the same mastering as each other - the Diament (or Sidore) mastering - regardless of where they were pressed.
     
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  14. Crawdad

    Crawdad Detroit Rock Citizen

    Were the 90's versions released at the same time as the box or did they come later. Some of the Diament's come with the Atlantic label on them.
     
  15. Crawdad

    Crawdad Detroit Rock Citizen

    I looked at my collection, and I was wrong: none of the Diament's have a full silkscreened Atlantic label. I also looked on Discogs. It doesn't seem that the next push for individual albums was until 1994. There was two piecemeal boxes that weren't arranged according to album and a complete studio albums box. If you can find the two boxes (released in 1990 and 1993) you'll have what can be considered the complete recordings. The other box has its faults but they do sound decent. I don't think Led Zeppelin has ever had a bad CD remaster.
     
  16. tmtomh

    tmtomh Forum Resident

    Yes, the Box Set came out in 1990, followed by Box Set 2 in 1993, which contained all the tracks not included on the first set. The individual albums came out on CD in 1994.

    Be aware, though, that the mastering on the 1990 and 1993 box sets is not exactly the same as on the 1994 individual album remasters. Part of the difference is that many tracks have slightly altered volume levels. This is because on the box sets, the tracks had to have consistent volume, whereas when the tracks were returned to their original albums and running orders for the individual 1994 CDs, the levels had to be changed a bit in order to restore the original, intended relative volume levels of the tracks on each album.

    In addition to that, however, there are other mastering differences: some tracks on the individual albums appear to have had a bit of compression added to them, as the DR meter shows their RMS (average) volume level slightly higher than the box set versions, but at the same time the peak levels on the individual albums are slightly lower than the box set versions. That means the dynamic range - the difference between the peak level and average level - is slightly lower for some tracks on the individual album CDs than it is for those same tracks on the box sets.

    However, the differences are small, and both the box sets and individual albums are based on the same mastering, so they sound very similar.
     
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  17. PatMcC

    PatMcC Active Member

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    Thank you!
     
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