tube preamp recommendations

Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by darkstar, Jul 20, 2002.

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  1. akshobhyavajra

    akshobhyavajra New Member

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    I understand you'd want to hear how something sounds IN your system first. The Octal 6 (which I purchased) was a compliment to the Wave AV8s I have on one of my systems, so it worked out fine.

    You can always give him a call / or e-mail and ask: (613) 387-3830 or
    [email protected].

    BTW - here is a recent review of one of his preamps:

    http://www.tnt-audio.com/ampli/madoctal6_e.html

    Ciao,

    M
     
  2. pigmode

    pigmode Active Member

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    I bought a nice Weller about 5 months ago--it's still in the display wrap.:eek:

    Any comments on C-J preamps?
     
  3. darkstar

    darkstar New Member Thread Starter

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    Gary, my moniker is from the Grateful Dead song of the same name.

    I am a reformed deadhead. But I carry my battlescars proudly.
     
  4. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialistâ„¢

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    [​IMG][​IMG] I've been there too Sckott![​IMG]
     
  5. mcow1

    mcow1 Sommelier Gort

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    Can anyone suggest what a good price might be for a Dynaco PAS-2 or 3.
     
  6. sgb

    sgb Senior Member

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    A good preamp doesn't call attention to itself; a bad one does. A preamp should neither add to nor take away from the source. Unfortunately, most do.


    Absolutely. Tone controls induce a veiling in the circuit along with numerous other colorations.

    The Hovland is I nice preamp, but has significant hum problems.(I've heard two samples and both exhibited the same problem.
     
  7. sgb

    sgb Senior Member

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    Hi Pigmode, thanks for your input on my Mac question the other day.

    As for power amps that use 12AX7's, I've never heard of one that does. What kind of power amp do you have? OTOH, there are plenty of preamps that use 12AX7's, and in that case, the Telefunken is (in most circuits) far superior to others. You have to be careful about these, though as there are many counterfeits.
     
  8. Gary

    Gary Nauga Gort! Staff

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    Try the McIntosh MC240 power amp, 40W a side. It uses 12AX7's.

    It has five inputs: Stereo R (right) and L (left), Twin Mode R and L and Mono (to use as a mono block). I have my preamp plugged into the Twin Mode (R and L, of course) and I plan to have my future SACD player connected directly to the amp in Stereo Mode. :)

    The 240 also has gain controls built into it. There are five gain controls (like a little volume switch) one for each input (Stereo R, Stereo L, Twin R, Twin L and Mono). Good for adjusting sound levels if the SACD player proves too loud or something....

    A neat little amp.

    And a neat little set up, even if I do say so myself! I can run the CDP or SACD player through the amp or directly through the preamp (McIntosh MX110 ~ which also uses 12AX7's!). The best of both worlds. :D

    Of course the drawback is that the preamp only has ONE "aux" input for a CDP so the direct amp input for SACD is a necessity....

    Sorry for the agonizing details regarding Stereo R, Twin L, etc. Just wanted to be clear!
     
  9. aashton

    aashton Here for the waters...

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    The Nagra VPA uses 12AX7's (ECC83) in the input stage as does the EAR 534 and EAR 861. The EAR V20 uses 10 12AX7s per side as ouput tubes (valves). Much more common in pre-amps though.

    All the best - Andrew
     
  10. indy mike

    indy mike Forum Pest

    I just won one via Ebay for $158.50 with Telefunken smooth plate 12AX7's; it's the PAS 3-X (the model with the tone controls that have center detents to be outta the circuit at 12 o'clock). You can get one for under $200, just be patient and ask the seller to pop the hood and tell you what kind of tubes are inside; the tubes alone can be worth a lot more than the preamp itself (Tele's = midrange breath of life according to our pal Steve)...
     
  11. sgb

    sgb Senior Member

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    Well you learn something new everyday, eh?

    How many 12AX7's does that Mac amp use to develop its 40 watts, Gary.

    Ashton, at 10 12AX7's per side I assume that 20 in the EAR's model number indicates its output. And yes, there are plenty of amplifiers that use 12AX7's in the input stage, but now I know of two that use them as outputs too. Must be pretty costly to retube that EAR. :D
     
  12. Gary

    Gary Nauga Gort! Staff

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    I'll check when I get home, SGB. About 4 or 5 or 6.... I think!

    BTW, the other secret to the 240 is using cheap four GE 6L6 (large) power tubes, not RCA black plates.... more breath of life!
     
  13. aashton

    aashton Here for the waters...

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    Not as much as if a WE 300B goes pop or you use those Metal base Telefunken EL34s :)

    I use 3 12AX7s in my EAR phono amp - I have Telefunkens - not got round to listening to them yet - I was recommended that Raytheons were the ideal match.

    All the best - Andrew
     
  14. Steve Hoffman

    Steve Hoffman Your host Your Host

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    All McIntosh tube amps use 12AX7's along with 12BH7's and 12AU7's in their input stage: Mc-30, MC-60, MC-40, MC-70, MC-240, MC-275, etc.

    I'm glad they do. Very easy to "EQ to taste" by tube type!
     
  15. sgb

    sgb Senior Member

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    AHA! So it DOESN'T use 12AX7's as output tubes.

    I've been tinkering with tube amps for nearly 35 years, now, Gary, and I know that a 12AX7 simply doesn't push enough current to be viable as an output tube. Apparently I wasn't clear in asking my question above, but I was thinking that maybe McIntosh had hired some electronic genius who had come up with a way to use them as such.

    My guess is, too, that the EAR that's using 10 12AX7's per side to produce enough signal to drive even an efficient loudspeaker would need to have its tubes (valves) changed about once every six weeks, as the 12AX7 just wasn't designed for this kind of stress.
     
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  16. Steve Hoffman

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    Agreed. I guess Tim just wanted his EAR amps to have that magic Tele sound.

    One should have about a zillion in reserve though. It must be very hard on the poor tubes!
     
  17. Gary

    Gary Nauga Gort! Staff

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    Oh, I gotcha now! Maybe *I* misunderstood! Nope, the 12AX7's are NOT power tubes! Sorry for misleading.... :(

    But the 12AX7's DO (as Steve has already said) make a heck of a difference! :) A GOOD difference! :D

    35 years? Wow - an expert!
     
  18. sgb

    sgb Senior Member

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    No, Gary, not hardly. Dilletante yes, expert no. My tube guru is Richard Gray who has been a personal friend since 1974 (he's the guy who designed that expensive Richard Gray's Power Company line conditioner). I won't do anything tubewise until I check with him first.

    As for output tubes (power tubes), there are different schools of thought on the sound of these. I happen to prefer the sound of EL34's (like what's used in a Dynaco Stereo 70, for example). Mullard makes the best sounding EL34 to these ears, but, po' folks like me can't really afford them any more, so I run cheap Chinese tubes (the Valve Art brand) for everyday use, and pull my Mullards out on those days when I really want to hear the ol' amp rip.
     
  19. pigmode

    pigmode Active Member

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    sgb,

    I have Quicksilver Mini Mites, which use a single 12AX7 per side. I can keep your Mullard EL 34s warm for you till you need'em.:D

    Anyway, I'll give Kevin a call later about some Telefunkens. I'm in the middle of some cable auditions right now.

    Maybe Steve can give us a short primer on the 12AX7. Steve?
     
  20. Steve Hoffman

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    A primer on 12AX7? Nah, too boring.

    It's a dual triode mini pin tube, developed to replace those bad ol' octals.

    The German Telefunken version sounds the best: Magic midrange in spades. A wonderful tube.

    Tele 12AU7's stink though. Soggy and unflattering.

    A true Tele has a star at the bottom of the tube, and comes in either smooth plate, or ribbed plate (for her pleasure).

    Beware of FAKE EL Yugo tubes rebranded Telefunken or Gold Aero.

    Always buy Teles from a respected dealer like Kevin Deal of Upscale Audio. You might pay a little more, but your dual triode will be thoroughly tested.
     
  21. pigmode

    pigmode Active Member

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