Underrated movie sequels?

Discussion in 'Visual Arts' started by The Doctor, Sep 19, 2022.

  1. '05Train

    '05Train Crashin' & Flyin' & Livin' & Dyin'

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    Exorcist III.

    Man I love this movie. Not really a horror movie, but a great slow-boiler.
     
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  2. Richard--W

    Richard--W Forum Resident

    Francis Ford Coppola's recut of The Godfather Part lll (1990) is an
    improvement. He was forced to start shooting before the screenplay
    was fully refined. He and Mario Puzo needed more time write, but
    the studio said no. So some script deficiencies remain what they are.
    For example the son whose debut as an opera singer coinciding with
    Corleone family activities in Italy is too contrived a coincidence and
    I think just a bad idea. The other problem is that important roles are
    miscast. The actor who plays the son stinks. He's also at odds with
    the boy who plays the son in Part ll. I'm a big fan of Andy Garcia and
    Sophia Coppola, but they're not right for this film. Also, Bridget Fonda
    as the nephew's girlfriend drops out and disappears much too soon.
    One of those script problems. The original idea, probably was for
    Vincent to woe her back after he gave up the Don's daughter, but this
    subplot remains undeveloped.

    The Godfather famously opened with the Don listening to the "I
    believe in America" monolog in the darkness of his office as the
    wedding party unfolds outside in the bright sun. The recut of Part lll
    takes a similar monolog and shot structure from the middle of the
    film and puts it at the start. Only this time, it is Michael listening to
    the Bishop whining in the Vatican. Metaphorically it's like the Devil
    has gone to church. This was the right beginning for the film. A lot
    of cuts and re-edits both minor and major tighten up the film and
    repair problematic moments.

    Coppola's approach to the Corleone saga evolved in Part lll. Instead
    of a strict proscenium staging, his camera is more fluid. Instead of
    emotional restraint, Part lll is declarative and pitched high. The film
    is essentially an Italian opera in the way it is written, performed and
    directed. It's an opera. A lot of fans didn't like that approach, but I find
    it adds a dimension the Corleone saga really needed. Visually, Coppola
    is at the peak of his talent here. The film has an old-world look, and
    every shot is postcard-perfect. The third act is a masterpiece of editing
    and composition. If you're one of those who just doesn't like the film,
    you can always enjoy it as visual eye candy.

    The Godfather Coda: The Death of Michael Corleone improves on the
    original. It's not perfect, but it is a great and visionary work of art. The
    blu-ray offers both versions for those who prefer one over the other.
    The 4K restoration screws up light and dark densities. Sometimes
    daytime and nighttime look the same, and interior light looks the same
    as exterior light. Other times you can't even see what's going on. Avoid
    the 4K. What it gains in detail it sacrifices in every other area. Stick with
    the blu-ray for all the Godfather films.

     
  3. Richard--W

    Richard--W Forum Resident

    The Special Edition blu-ray contains both the director's
    original version and the corrupted theatrical release with
    new story and footage added. I was very impressed with
    the theatrical release despite obvious problems, but when
    I finally saw William Peter Blatty's original cut I preferred
    it by far. A worthy sequel and a very fine film.
     
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  4. Chrome_Head

    Chrome_Head Planetary Resident

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    Spider-Man: Far From Home, the second of the Tom Holland Spidey films. Seems to be singled out as not as good by fans.

    It was also saddled with the post Avengers: Endgame status quo, but if viewers can get past the cringey screwball Eurotrip setting that doesn’t much befit Spidey, there is a visually rich story here with a Mysterio played by Jake Gyllenhaal who is a worthy threat and also nearly steals the whole film. They really knocked the villains out of the park in the Holland films.
     
  5. MichaelH

    MichaelH Forum Resident

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    When it comes to the Ghostbusters movies I personally think one is kinda weak, two is leaps and bounds better, and the girl Ghostbusters from 2016 is the best one yet. I have yet to see Afterlife, but if I ever do it'll be interesting to see if I like it even better than the girls one.
     
  6. Price.pittsburgh

    Price.pittsburgh Forum Resident

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    MORE AMERICAN GRAFITTI
    It desperately misses Richard Dreyfuss (Kurt) and the split screen on the Candy Clark (Debbie) scenes is annoying. But always did like the various new years eve concept and found the storylines interesting enough. The ending with Auld Lane Syne on all four New Years in different places, is one of the better directing moments I've viewed. It's unfortunate it's part of a film that isn't much appreciated.
     
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  7. DrZhivago

    DrZhivago Hedonist

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    Empire Strikes Back
    Mad Max 2
    Silence of Lambs

    Edit: Missed the topic. I thought sequels better than originals.
     
  8. freddog

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    If Universal had called the shots, "More American Graffiti" probably would have been the story of what happened two weeks after the original film. It would have been more cruising and high school hijinks and '50's nostalgia (even though the first was set in '62) because that's what the audience wanted.

    It took six years for the sequel to be made. In the meantime, you had Happy Days (on TV) and the film Grease raking in the dough in the wake of the original.

    I give Lucas a lot of credit for the approach that the sequel took. People weren't ready for it yet, so it wasn't a commercial move, but picking up the threads of what happened to the various characters over a number of years gave a great overview of what happened in the late 60's. It was underrated back then because it didn't plug into expectations, but it's a very good film.
     
  9. DLD

    DLD Senior Member

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    I came here to prop this flick too. Very good sequel.

    Let me add this sequel - Any Which Way You Can
     
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  10. jason88cubs

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    Tremors 2
     
  11. Hexwood

    Hexwood Forum Resident

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    There was a lot of potential with that idea. Oh well.
     
  12. Nope. One of Scott’s worst films.
     
  13. It’s more of a thriller than a horror flick and the best sequel/prequel.
     
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  14. omikron

    omikron Avid contributor to Paul McCartney's bank account

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    Under Siege was on TV the other day so I watched a few minutes of it.

    And then I realized I like Under Siege 2 WAAAY better. This one truly is an underrated film. Trains seems to ratchet up the suspense and intensity in films.
     
  15. vince

    vince Stan Ricker's son-in-law

    Like a super-natural detective story...
    This, "Jakob's Ladder" & "AngelHeart", I believe, paved the way for "The X-Files".....not all the episodes were about UFO's!
     
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  16. andy749

    andy749 Senior Member

    Endless Summer II
     
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  17. '05Train

    '05Train Crashin' & Flyin' & Livin' & Dyin'

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    Yeah, that's a really good one. Really enjoyed it.
     
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  18. Alien Reg

    Alien Reg Forum Resident

    I really like the two follow-ups to The Ipcress File (Michael Caine spy thriller from the 60s): I think the titles are Funeral in Berlin and Billion Dollar Brain. They're each very different, different directors I think, but fun. They are both routinely written off as inferior to Ipcress though.
     
  19. AC1

    AC1 Forum Resident

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    Sicario: Day Of The Soldado. Enjoyed that much more than Villeneuve's movie.
     
  20. Bluesman Mark

    Bluesman Mark I'm supposed to put something witty here....

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    Another one that I watched last night in fact, The Revenge Of Frankenstein from 1958, the 1st sequel to The Curse Of Frankenstein, & certainly often overshadowed by it's predecessor, if not underrated. To me it's the superior movie, (& I love Curse), & the best of the series, followed closely by Frankenstein Must Be Destroyed from 1969.
     

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