Valve learning question for a newbie ( Vincent SV-237MK)

Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by Andy Saunders, Dec 27, 2018.

  1. Andy Saunders

    Andy Saunders Always a pleasure never a chore Thread Starter

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    Yes it was indeed Watford Valves and he said more or less the same to me when l first started tube rolling in the Vinny- l started with Harma STR for the three valves- however l did find that other valves sounded better than the STR.:)
     
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  2. mahoganydeck

    mahoganydeck Member

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    So would you go for golden JJs for all three?
     
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  3. Andy Saunders

    Andy Saunders Always a pleasure never a chore Thread Starter

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    Sorry Mate not following you.
     
  4. rockin_since_58

    rockin_since_58 Forum Resident

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    The only one that really matters is the input tube in the window position. You should give the E83CC Frame Grid a try in this position. There are no JJ tubes for the 6N1P-EV's.
     
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  5. Andy Saunders

    Andy Saunders Always a pleasure never a chore Thread Starter

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    Oh l see- the above is correct, just the one JJ E83CC had a dramatic impact on sound quality.:)
     
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  6. mahoganydeck

    mahoganydeck Member

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    Sorry! was typing on my phone so I was a bit short. My amp is a LineMagnetic 34ia, which has 2 x 12AU7 and 1 x 12AX7 for the pre-amp stage. So I guess my question was whether I should give changing both 12AU7s and 12AX7 to JJs a try. From what I understand now, you are saying that changing the 12AX7 into a JJ E83CC will probably have the most impact :)
     
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  7. rockin_since_58

    rockin_since_58 Forum Resident

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    Yes, the E83CC will give you the biggest impact as it is used in the preamp stage.
     
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  8. Andy Saunders

    Andy Saunders Always a pleasure never a chore Thread Starter

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    It is a shame the 237MK does not have ECC83 valves all around...as the E83CC would be going in there pronto.:D
     
  9. rockin_since_58

    rockin_since_58 Forum Resident

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    The SV 236 used 3 12AX7's.
     
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  10. Andy Saunders

    Andy Saunders Always a pleasure never a chore Thread Starter

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    :edthumbs:
     
  11. moops

    moops Senior Member

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    Just put one of these in myself a few hours ago and totally agree. What a great find and I can source them locally here too. :righton:
     
  12. Andy Saunders

    Andy Saunders Always a pleasure never a chore Thread Starter

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    Cheap as chips too!:edthumbs:
     
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  13. Paul K

    Paul K Senior Member

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    I have tested 6 JJ E83cc tubes in my calibrated Stark 9-66 Dynamic mutual conductance tester and they all tested less than spec and also unbalanced.
    I have no problem with any other Russian, Chinese, vintage or current Czech tube in there BUT this one.
    Bought matched and new from a big tube vendor but none of this has instilled confidence that they are what they say they are.
     
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  14. Andy Saunders

    Andy Saunders Always a pleasure never a chore Thread Starter

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    That is a bummer-have you listened to them?
     
  15. Paul K

    Paul K Senior Member

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    Yeah. Problem is they sound great!
     
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  16. rockin_since_58

    rockin_since_58 Forum Resident

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    Sometimes you can't trust measurements. Your ears are what counts most.
     
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  17. Paul K

    Paul K Senior Member

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    True...but then I purchased their ECC803S tubes and each one tests correctly.
    I like consistancy...
     
  18. Larry I

    Larry I Senior Member

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    Paul K,

    Are you talking about JJ ECC803 S or the old Telefunken ECC803S? There is WAY more than $1,000 a pair difference in the price.
     
  19. rockin_since_58

    rockin_since_58 Forum Resident

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    The new JJ E83CC's
     
  20. James Glennon

    James Glennon Senior Member

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    My father used to say... ''Far away hills are green but the grass is just as hard to cut!''

    JG
     
  21. Andy Saunders

    Andy Saunders Always a pleasure never a chore Thread Starter

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    Oh the joy of valve amplifiers- got a low level 'gurgling in the right hand channel- tested everything, swapped cable etc and found it was one of those Voskhod rocket 6N1P-EV, so swapped them for the Harma STR version and found these are much quieter than l remember them, sounding really good- the only thing of concern is that the valve pins are not the most snuggest fit in the world, is there any l could do to make them a tighter fit or should l leave as is?
     
  22. Tajo1960

    Tajo1960 Tajo = tayo (tata, dad ~ in slang)

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    You can always, if you have enough courage and dexterity, use larger tweezers or precision pliers to slightly space the pins coming from the Vacuum tube. Very slowly, not by large movements... a few 1/100ths of a millimeter can be quite enough.
    This is a procedure that requires steady and precise hands. So if you think you might...good luck!
    This is probably the only good way to "secure" the Vacuum tube in its socket.

    Another procedure would be to apply a thin layer of solder to the pins of the Vacuum tube. It's also very precise work and not for people with clumsy hands.
    My apologies, I mean in general, I don't mean you personally :)

    The disadvantage of this procedure is "solder removal" already when inserting the Vacuum tube into the socket. The solder is relatively soft and peels off quickly due to the mechanical friction of the pins against the socket.

    The third option is to buy a vacuum tube that fits exactly in its socket.

    The choice is only yours!
    Let us know what you decide, and by all means, good luck!
     
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  23. rockin_since_58

    rockin_since_58 Forum Resident

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    If it is working, I wouldn't do anything. Just enjoy the tunes!

    There is another option that @Tajo1960 didn't mention which is re-tentioning the tube sockets. Info for doing this can be found on YouTube. As you may recall, I struggled with contact issues on the 6N1P's before finally finding some with gold plated pins. Coming up on 2 years with no issues on my SV237.
     
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  24. Andy Saunders

    Andy Saunders Always a pleasure never a chore Thread Starter

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    l have upgraded my system ( both vinyl and CD side ) and have to say with the Harma's l am amazed how quiet the amp is,... may well leave all alone, most definately getting a blacker and deeper soundstage... The Rusky valves may have been going south for a while.....
     
  25. rockin_since_58

    rockin_since_58 Forum Resident

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    Exactly what tubes are you referring to "Harma STR"?

    Thanks
     

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