VG vinyl records and lower grades.. Who buys them and why?

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  1. mahanusafa02

    mahanusafa02 Forum Resident

    It’s code for groove wear, in my experience.
     
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  2. Purple

    Purple Forum Resident

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    Many (most) record buyers don't do it for the sound quality. I don't. A lot of people just want something tactile in their hands to enjoy their music, as well as use a format that encourages paying closer attention to the music, or album listening. Having something tactile also can be a way to pre-commit to exploring new albums - you own it to use it. (Most of the records I buy I've never heard before). Streaming, mp3s, etc don't do any of these things. Others may have different justifications.
     
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  3. mahanusafa02

    mahanusafa02 Forum Resident

    I would think if it wasn’t a South African pressing, you’d be lucky if an African record left the press in better than VG condition. Same with Jamaican and to a lesser extent, Communist bloc and Southeast Asian pressings.
     
  4. Izozeles

    Izozeles Rock’roll Stalker

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    I bought 60’s records back then when prices were reasonable. Sadly, that’s not the case anymore
     
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  5. Old Zorki II

    Old Zorki II Heavy Horses Operator Thread Starter

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    I have several records from former Soviet Union (local jazz mostly) and Chechoslovakia (mostly classical) from eighties, they are not bad.
    But earlier, especially from 60th and first half of 70th, generally "sizzling bacon" regardless of condition.
     
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  6. BWichmann74

    BWichmann74 Forum Resident

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    I never buy VG albums sight unseen. I almost never buy VG+ sight unseen because audibly VG+ should have be surface noise, scratches, or be worn to a point that’s noticeable and too many people improperly grade their stuff.

    When I have felt comfortable with a seller and pulled the plug and actually got a true VG+ than I remember that seller for future purchases.

    I have picked up VG from my local places but this is that scenario where it’s rare and might not cross my path and I can get it for $10-$15 when a true VG+ would cost $60-$100.

    To your point I don’t get it either. I’m would always spring an extra few bucks for VG+ if available (but like I said I don’t consider VG sight unseen)

    I do understand some people would rather have say 20 VG Records for $60 rather than 10 VG+ as quantity means more than quality. Another point may be that people newer to buying used vinyl don’t really understand the definition of each grade. With them Very Good sounds better that it actually is be definition.

    This whole group of vinyl purchasers are potentially why sellers can misgrade their stuff and continue to get away with it - but this would be a different thread!!
     
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  7. garrincha

    garrincha Forum Resident

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    yeah, that's true enough. however, there is a big difference between a record that has had say a limited press in a poorly run plant in Lagos, that starts life as a VG+ in real money, is well looked after by one considerate owner (I have quite a few of these) and a record that has been slung across the room from party to party over the last 40 years

    the box I got was full of the latter, unfortunately
     
  8. Dave Thompson

    Dave Thompson Forum Resident

    I have a horrible feeling that you're actually being serious.

    I'd rather pay a busker to strum it for me.

    But on a serious note, these are the last few VG/VG+ albums I purchased - all from local record stores, incidentally, where there was no "better" copy available. Which streaming service would you suggest I should have used instead?

    Ewan MacColl & Peggy Seeger - the Long Harvest vols 1,4, 10
    Choker Campbell - Hits of the Sixties
    Brenda Lee - Sincerely
    various - Hot Hits Volume 3
    Rikki Sylvan - The Silent Hours
    and a couple of bootlegs.
     
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  9. Dave Thompson

    Dave Thompson Forum Resident

    Well said.
     
  10. diamondstylus

    diamondstylus Well-Known Member

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    Greenfield, MA
    I've bought a few rather rare VG records for short $ and was pleasantly surprised by condition.
    A few years ago I bought The first Grateful Dead LP on WB, mono gold label.
    The seller only had a history of 5 sales but great feedback. I think I paid $12 and when it arrived the vinyl itself was much closer to VG++.
    It's basically taking a chance that the seller is being cautious with their grading.
     
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  11. ellingtonic

    ellingtonic Forum Resident

    I’ve purchased records in bad shape with outer sleeves in VG+ or better shape to replace damaged covers a few times. I trashed the records.
     
  12. BWichmann74

    BWichmann74 Forum Resident

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  13. BWichmann74

    BWichmann74 Forum Resident

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    My bad - just dropped this in the wrong conversation!!!!!

    Sorry about that...
     
  14. greelywinger

    greelywinger That T-Rex Guy

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    Dayton, Ohio USA
    On Discogs I only look at listings for NM or M (won't even consider VG+ or lower).
    I scan their feedback for past purchases to check out the accuracy of their grading.
    I also ask questions with a seller I'm unfamiliar with.
    If they don't answer me back, that means communication with the seller will be bad.
    I'll move on and find the record elsewhere on Discogs.
    After a few purchases with a certain seller that I'm happy with their grading, I'll add them my friends list on Discogs.

    Darryl


     
  15. radickeyfan

    radickeyfan Forum Resident

    who buys them??

    people that can not afford to pay the NM (or VG++) prices in store

    just saw a store sell VG grades on Thriller , Off The Wall , 1999 , the 1st Madonna , a bunch of Husker Du and Replacement's records , all to the same person at $15-$22 each ---when the above albums sell for $35+ in nice grades , a lot of people are happy w/ VGs

    though truthfully , not me
     
  16. birchstick

    birchstick Well-Known Member

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    Rocky Mountains
    I'll give you $12.50 haha. Nice pick up!
     
  17. birchstick

    birchstick Well-Known Member

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    I have purchased a couple of Blue Note originals at Very Good before I realized that Very Good meant lots of surface noise, beat up covers, don't waste your time. I hardly buy used vinyl on-line - I know to many people it's worth the risk, but for me it's not worth the time.
     
  18. 12" 45rpm

    12" 45rpm Forum Resident

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    Would you mind sharing who is on your list?
     
  19. greelywinger

    greelywinger That T-Rex Guy

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    Dayton, Ohio USA
    Some of my favorites (Who I've done several orders with & had no problems) are...

    funkyfrancofan69
    ryanrecords
    swdaman
    StaxOfWax
    BrothersRecords

    I can also send messages with questions before I purchase & it's not a problem.

    Darryl

     
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  20. Raunchnroll

    Raunchnroll Forum Resident

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    Seattle
    As mentioned, VG means nothing in many cases. The grade winds up being close to NM to poor. I've bought lots of VG graded records that play fantastic and only needed a cleaning. I look at a record (in my hands or by photographs), gage what I'm willing to pay for it, and either pay or not. I really don't care what letters a seller assigns to it.
     
  21. greelywinger

    greelywinger That T-Rex Guy

    Location:
    Dayton, Ohio USA
    What’s the difference between a record G & G+?
    I know there can be noticeable differences in grading.
    M vs NM
    VG+ vs VG

    Darryl
     

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