Vinyl records now in crisis: Apollo Transco Mastering lacquer plant is a total loss*

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  1. MrBeatles

    MrBeatles Well-Known Member

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    They are not like that nowadays, they where originally based in Kobe, Japan, but nowadays they produce in China if I'm not mistaken.
     
  2. Mr Bass

    Mr Bass Chevelle Ma Belle

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    I have read a fair number of recent articles and every one of them state specifically that MDC Lacquers is in Japan. Do you have a link for the claim they are now in China (which would be quite disastrous for different reasons)?
     
  3. Shak Cohen

    Shak Cohen Forum Resident

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    I hope people do clamour for it...those Albini analogue DMMs sound very good.
     
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  4. MrBeatles

    MrBeatles Well-Known Member

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    They moved to China in a temporary move after Fukushima issue but as far as I know they still have their manufacturing facility there. It do have sense as labour costs are 10 times more expensive in Japan.
    Anyway it doesnt matter where they are... There is no realistic alternative for now, nowadays there is MDC or DMM; no other choice, both of them concentrated in Europe (most of USA cutting room lacquers where Apollo and all DMM lathes in operation are in Europe).
     
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  5. DRM

    DRM Forum Resident

    I wonder how many vinyl enthusiasts who are younger than 55 years old care whether a product is AAA and lacquered. Is there still a thriving baby boom market for this? Enough to warrant a new manufacturing plant in the USA? I don’t know. Better to burn out than to fade away may be the unfortunate new reality. It came so sudden but there may be stock to last for a year or so.
     
  6. Nielsoe

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    Only there was no real reason to think it was going to fade away, but it most certainly did burn out. There’s a void and I hope someone will/can fill it.
     
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  7. Alex Zabotkin

    Alex Zabotkin Forum Resident

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    As much as we love vinyl, it's impossible to tell for sure how long the vinyl fad is going to last. Maybe it has peaked already. Filling the void may not be worth it financially, especially if a new factory has to be built from scratch. I sure hope for the best, but again, I don't expect someone doing it for something other than money. Even devoted people like Chad are not likely to invest only to lose money...
     
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  8. Nielsoe

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    I wouldn’t call it a “vinyl fad”, it’s been rather consistent for a number of years. Other than that I agree 100%.
     
  9. Tim 2

    Tim 2 MORE MUSIC PLEASE

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    If vinylphiles like the sound and the quality what difference does it make where they were made ?
    Price should be much better too.
     
  10. nosliw

    nosliw Azunyan! にゃーーー!

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    I'm one of the millennials who like a well-produced and well-pressed AAA release but I also care about a release that has the best mastering, whether it's on LP, CD, or digital. However, I'm also aware that the baby boomer market is a demographic ticking time bomb unless the younger generations can carry the mantle of caring for quality products.

    I also feel that a large segment of the vinyl record trend that was mentioned by @Alex Zabotkin is a fad. One needs to see a huge glut of low-end crap players from Crosley, Victrola, and Audio Technica, followed by loving the "warm" and "pops and crackles" idiosyncrasies peddled by social media "influencers" and mainstream media. Only a small percentage may graduate beyond that kind of thinking, which made me think that it's indeed a largely frothy trend that is due for a correction soon, whether it's a catalyst like the Apollo Masters fire or a global economic recession.
     
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  11. Kardiaclp

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    Fads don’t last this long, especially with millennials. It’s a niche market for sure, and I agree that there are economics to consider, but also want to call out again that new pressing plants just opened up in the US and in Europe - so there’s gotta be something there.

    Pretty much everything is getting pressed to vinyl these days - if people weren’t buying them, that wouldn’t be the case. And yes, some people listen on crap equipment - some people don’t care about audio. I have some friends that fall into this category, and yet they still like having a physical copy for their own reasons. I don’t think that necessarily means their short-term vinyl lovers...and who knows maybe one today they’ll start digging into hi-end audio to maximize the experience.
     
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  12. mantis4tons

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    To speak for vinyl DJs: Stop cutting LPs and save the lacquers for 12" singles!
     
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  13. xfilian

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    Given that the Vinyl revival has been ongoing for around 13 years, I wonder how much longer this has to continue before people stop labeling it a 'fad'. Given that CDs were in ascension for 15 years from 85 to 2000 before they started a slow decline, does that mean they were a fad also?
     
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  14. Kardiaclp

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  15. Alex Zabotkin

    Alex Zabotkin Forum Resident

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    Not a good analogy, IMHO. CD was the main music distribution format, just like vinyl once was... ;) It's not anymore, and will never be. If CD "comes back" like vinyl did, it may be labelled a fad.

    FWIW, I love vinyl much more than any other music format and I don't see anything wrong with it being called a fad. :cool: Yes, fads are usually short-lived (by definition), but "short" is pretty much relative...
     
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  16. I have trouble believing there was not at least regular sprinkler in that facility. It's possible there was just no water gong outside. Almost all manufacturing facilities I've ever been in here in Canada are sprinklered. Automatic fire suppression controlled by a fire panel would be another story. Proper fire suppression upgrades are costly but, go a long way.
     
  17. Kardiaclp

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    Just because it’s not the primary listening format, that doesn’t necessarily make it a “fad.” It makes an an alternate form of listening..

    That would be like calling motorcycles a fad, in comparison to cars...
     
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  18. Alex Zabotkin

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    So what if it is a fad? :uhhuh: Is it really so obnoxious?

    Just like it did in the "vinyl recession" years. :sigh: Only it definitely wasn't a fad back then. :D
     
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  19. Mr Bass

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    I was referring to the current health situation / quarantines in China not the factory location per se.
     
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  20. kwadguy

    kwadguy Senior Member

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    Neil Young believes this was a good thing. My my hey hey.
     
  21. Stone Turntable

    Stone Turntable Dedicated Listener

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  22. Tim 2

    Tim 2 MORE MUSIC PLEASE

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    Were you planning on going there to get them.
     
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  23. Mr Bass

    Mr Bass Chevelle Ma Belle

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    For heavens sake figure out the obvious. There are production problems as workers and transport are not moving under quarantines. It would risk all lacquer production coming to all halt from MDC. Fortunately I think the claim that MDC is in China now is bogus.
     
  24. Tim 2

    Tim 2 MORE MUSIC PLEASE

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    The ones you'll be purchasing are in warehouse across the world, I don't think there will be a lack of product for mouths maybe years, by then I'm sure the problem will be solved. For heaven sakes.
     
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  25. Alex Zabotkin

    Alex Zabotkin Forum Resident

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    The bottom line is that we know very little about MDC. The "one-man operation in his garage" statement may also be inaccurate.
     

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