Was Houses of the Holy a step down in quality after 4?

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Morfmusic, Nov 8, 2018.

  1. kaztor

    kaztor Forum Resident

    No, I don’t.
    Judging from reactions the two contenders aren’t together on the same album side.
  2. kaztor

    kaztor Forum Resident

    Imo they didn’t ‘return’ to anything on PG.
    The ‘new’ songs sound like a midway point between HOTH ‘s eclectism towards the back-to-basics monster grooves that would dominate Presence.
    The added leftovers serve to lighten up the mood and give the album it’s own schwung.
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  3. Rose River Bear

    Rose River Bear Forum Resident

    Nope. HOTH has Over The Hills and Far Away. They never reached that high again. The apotheosis.
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  4. MicSmith

    MicSmith Forum Resident

    Both are excellent albums with IV nudging it for me - HOTH was though more experimental - a band looking for new horizons as they had done pretty much from the start. Some of those experiments worked really well and some marginally less so but Zeppelin on 3 cylinders was still a better engine then their rock contemporaries. A million bands would kill to have HOTH in their back catalogue.
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  5. DrJ

    DrJ Forum Resident

    Davis, CA, USA
    In my opinion, HOTH was something of a step down after IV. But still really, really great.
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  6. tommy-thewho

    tommy-thewho Forum Resident

    detroit, mi
    Yes but it's still a great album.

    4 raised the bar too high.
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  7. All Down The Line

    All Down The Line Forum Resident

    I have a soft spot for Houses.
    (I really enjoy 5 of the songs but can't be bothered with the other 3.)
    Yes they have lightened their edge and undertaken new experiments so to me the album breathes more than IV and goes in more directions.
    For that it is less consistent and not as relentless as IV.
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  8. Somerset Scholar

    Somerset Scholar Forum Resident

    HOTH has greatness and some mediocrity. It doesn't work that well as an album because of this. 4/5 album.
    Runes is just killer Zep all the way. 5/5
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  9. dee

    dee Forum Resident

    ft. lauderdale, fl
    No. It's just not as even or seems overall as focused as the previous one. I've always thought fwiw No Quarter goes better with the first side and Over The Hills with the 2nd. The Crunge is a B Side if they were a Singles band. Instead, imo, for LZ it's a throway and try to forgot about deep album track. Houses works better as an album imo without it. Have No Quarter close Side 1 and put Over The Hills on Side 2. It makes for a more consistemt listen, for me. YMWV :)
  10. HenryH

    HenryH Forum Resident

    HOTH deliberately takes more of an acoustic approach. Less heavy, more folk influenced. It’s a wonderful album. It’s another side of Zeppelin. It’s brilliant.
  11. Purple Jim

    Purple Jim Forum Resident

    Little Britain
    Silly me, I mean't the opening track The Song Remains The Same. Then there's the magnificent Over The Hills And Far Away.
  12. Crimson jon

    Crimson jon Forum Resident

    This is my favorite led zepplin album so I'd have to say no. I rank it

    Houses of the holy
    Physical graffiti
    In through the out door
  13. Safeway 1

    Safeway 1 "mad, bad, and dangerous to know"

    Manzanillo, Mexico
    Listening to both as I read through this thread, my conclusion is since each album offers 8 cuts each I am calling
    a statistical tie.
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  14. kaztor

    kaztor Forum Resident

    It’s funny and it’s obvious the band is enjoying themselves, but I always found it a bit too jarring, even on an album with Fool In The Rain on it, and following on the heels of that one and South Bound Suarez it feels like one style-shift too many.

    Ozone Baby shows the band’s versatility in a more palatable way with a straight-up pop-rocker that fits 1979 like a glove. Just my opinion, though.
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  15. kaztor

    kaztor Forum Resident

    SQ-wise Presence tops ‘em all.
  16. HfxBob

    HfxBob Forum Resident

    The numbers 4 and 8 are very prominent in Zep, aren't they?

    8 tracks on each of these albums.

    8 albums in the catalogue.

    And on these albums you have the songs 'Four Sticks' and 'No Quarter'. :)
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  17. seacliffe301

    seacliffe301 Forum Resident

    A step down in quality? Absolutely not. For me, "Houses..." was the plateau they reached after IV. I would then argue that this was continued into "Physical Graffiti", and then fell off after that.
  18. Terrapin Station

    Terrapin Station Forum Resident

    NYC Man
    That he was creating some nice, surreal imagery? :D
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  19. Terrapin Station

    Terrapin Station Forum Resident

    NYC Man
    I'm a huge Zappa fan so I dig that sort of thing.
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  20. clayton

    clayton Forum Resident

    minneapolis mn
    Yes - some good stuff but I could do without the rain song.
  21. Dan Steele

    Dan Steele Forum Resident

    Chicago suburbs
    Different, but I find HOTH more enjoyable than untitled/IV. In particular if you replace the Crunge with the Rover, recorded in the same session, HOTH becomes the best album if all time.
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  22. Raf

    Raf Forum Resident

    Toronto, Ontario
    I've always considered Houses of the Holy the best Led Zeppelin album, so no.
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  23. In my world, Zep did not really take a step down until ITTOD.
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  24. sloaches

    sloaches Forum Resident

    The only knock I have on Houses is Plant's vocals on "The Song Remains The Same". For me, I prefer the concert soundtrack version much better. Otherwise it's a pretty solid album.
  25. kaztor

    kaztor Forum Resident

    The Ocean is an outstanding way to close an album.
    It sets the stage of what was to come like Levee did on IV.

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