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What is it with Russian Federation listings on Discogs?

Discussion in 'Marketplace Discussions' started by DaleClark, Dec 14, 2020.

  1. DaleClark

    DaleClark Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Location:
    Columbus, Ohio
    Every record I want is always available from Russian Federation. Is this a hub of counterfeits?
     
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  2. curbach

    curbach Some guy on the internet

    Location:
    The ATX
    Of course
     
  3. vinylontubes

    vinylontubes Forum Resident

    Location:
    Katy, TX
    They have an infrastructure for bootlegging western music that dates back to the Cold War and their 2nd World status. I would avoid Russia unless you have assurances of authenticity.
     
  4. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialist™

    Location:
    Greater Vancouver
    Some of their sellers are the real deal though too. I know because I've purchased from some legit sellers. You just have to be discerning and knowledgeable. You really can't use such a broad paintbrush in this scenario.
     
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  5. Strat-Mangler

    Strat-Mangler Personal Survival Daily Record-Breaker

    Location:
    Toronto
    That's what happens when you love Russian music. :D
     
  6. Mattatall

    Mattatall 2-iron draw

    Location:
    Bermuda
     
  7. fmfxray373

    fmfxray373 Avatar Of Aspersions

    Location:
    san diego
    I bought a 2014 mono A Hard Day's Night from a Russian seller...a completely legitimate Optimal pressing. Some of the Russians on Discogs have good reputations.
     
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  8. kwadguy

    kwadguy Senior Member

    Location:
    Cambridge, MA
    No, I'd put it this way. I would assume all rare CDs from Russia are counterfeits. There are exceptions, but not a huge number.
     
  9. Mattatall

    Mattatall 2-iron draw

    Location:
    Bermuda
    The OP mentioned records, I would think anyone familiar with vinyl could spot a counterfeit lp, considering all the well-documented identifying matrix #s etc.
     
  10. lawz

    lawz Well-Known Member

    Location:
    la, ca
    Russia hasn't been mass producing vinyl for quite a long time, although they certainly produced a lot of counterfeit vinyl back in the late 80's - early 90's... BUT those were never replicas of the real thing. All their bootlegs were very distinctive in terms of packaging (with often altered artwork), labels etc., and I've never seen them being sold as something they are not :shrug:
     
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  11. EdogawaRampo

    EdogawaRampo Forum Resident

    I bought a couple of sealed Beatles 2014 monos from Russian seller here and they were just fine. I was glad to have found them as they were already hard to find. Discogs I don't know, but I'm not sure all the bootlegging talk is relevant now as it may have been decades ago. Russians have more disposible income now, there are not just a few Russian audiophiles who are fans of some very upscale audio gear, knowledgable of all kinds of the genres SH members have been fanatic about for years and years, etc., so I agree about the broad paintbrush and question its usefulness here.
     
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  12. Joseph.McClure

    Joseph.McClure Forum Resident

    Location:
    Memphis, TN
    I buy counterfeit CDs from Russia if they are OOP and unavailable used elsewhere. Maybe the record companies should keep stuff in print or do runs every once in a while.
     
  13. visolo

    visolo Well-Known Member

    If you go on ebay, there are Russian sellers selling DAT tapes, MiniDiscs, cassettes with music on them, as promos, rarities or limited releases. These look like home made, but I guess there are no copyright laws over there.
     
  14. DaleClark

    DaleClark Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Location:
    Columbus, Ohio
    I wonder if there are counterfeit versions of the Beatles VINYL Mono Box? I know the CD version had fake copies floating around.
     
  15. lawz

    lawz Well-Known Member

    Location:
    la, ca
    there are not

    AFAIK those had nothing to do with Russia and were often described as "Chinese replicas"...
     
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  16. DaleClark

    DaleClark Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Location:
    Columbus, Ohio
    Thanks for the info
     
  17. justice0_14

    justice0_14 Active Member

    Location:
    timmins ontario
    Got a minty kill em all metallica from a good guy in russia years ago,took 3 months to get it though but a legit american pressing creeping death.
     
  18. Tullman

    Tullman Senior Member

    Location:
    Boston MA
    I avoid records from Russia and Greece. Records from the UK or Italy are usually over rated trash.
     
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  19. Old Zorki II

    Old Zorki II Storm Watcher

    Location:
    near Tampa, FL
    I bought some rare Japanese pressings from Russia, all checked out fine. But in general I avoid buying there due to high shipping costs, uncertainty of condition and overall high prices. Never seen fake LP there. Counterfeit CDs are abound and very hard to distinguish, but I am not collecting them.
    Records from UK are almost universally overgraded, but for some bands I simply have no choice.... Sticking to NM- and hoping for the best.
     
  20. bmh5879

    bmh5879 Forum Resident

    Location:
    New Jersey
    The grading standard across the pond is much lower than the US. Like a lot lower. Even Jamaican's have a better higher grading standard in my experience.

    And I have never bought anything from Russia (knowingly anyhow).
     
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  21. Old Zorki II

    Old Zorki II Storm Watcher

    Location:
    near Tampa, FL
    I rarely have issues with German sellers.
     
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  22. bmh5879

    bmh5879 Forum Resident

    Location:
    New Jersey
    I have had some but much better overall experience. I usually only buy if it's listed as NM and being sold at a VG or VG+ price and that's helped curb expectations and disappointments. Always try to get pictures also, although that doesn't always tell the story. US sellers guilty of this too.
     
  23. jimod99

    jimod99 Daddy or chips?

    Location:
    Vienna, Austria
    Utter nonsense, I’ve had more problems with poor US sellers than UK ones.
     
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  24. Tullman

    Tullman Senior Member

    Location:
    Boston MA
    Actually, I’ve had good luck with German sellers. For me, American sellers have been pretty good especially on eBay. Perhaps the fact that I can drive to their doorstep has something to do with it.;) Sorry, but nearly half of the records I got from the U.K. have been graded poorly.
     
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  25. Tullman

    Tullman Senior Member

    Location:
    Boston MA
    You’re lucky!
     
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