When did Mick Taylor start to get sick of the Stones?

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by babaluma, Oct 5, 2019.

  1. babaluma

    babaluma Forum Resident Thread Starter

    I vaguely remember reading somewhere that MT was already starting to get sick of being a Stone after only a year of being a member, is this correct? Does anyone have any thoughts or knowledge of how early MT started to feel he wanted out?

    Some other questions:
    Was Keith Richards ever thinking about booting MT out of the band? If he hadn't quit would KR have fire him and brought Ron Wood in?

    How was MT treated in the Stones? Did he get on with the other members? Did he ever enjoy it?

    Any info most welcome!
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  2. joepepitone

    joepepitone ....by the Lord Sri Krsna's grace

    I can't answer a lot of what you ask, but since it took so long to replace MT, I doubt Ron Wood was the first person brought in to audition.
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  3. peskypesky

    peskypesky Forum Resident

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  4. Anno

    Anno Well-Known Member

    When the smack really kicked in.
  5. ssmith3046

    ssmith3046 Forum Resident

    I love the Mick Taylor years. Love all the years but those were some good ones for music.
  6. Jonny W

    Jonny W Forum Resident

    Orangeburg NY
    Unfortunately, this is probably on the mark. Taylor may
    well have quit the Stones as a matter of sheer survival.
  7. Say It Right

    Say It Right Not for the Hearing Impaired

    Niagara Falls
    Not just Rory Gallagher, but Jeff Beck and several others. Ronnie obviously worked out very well, but he might've been 5th choice as replacement.
  8. jwoverho

    jwoverho Forum Resident

    Mobile, AL USA
    Mick and Keith would never have chosen a guitarist who had any chance of competing for attention. Beck, Gallagher, Marriott would all have been an issue.
    Ronson was one of the best sidemen ever and I think preferred to be in a supporting role, but I wonder how his considerable arranging skills would have been received by Jagger and Richards. Shades of Brian Jones, perhaps?
  9. majorlance

    majorlance Peter Stone Brown 1951-2019

    Collingswood, NJ
    Also Wayne Perkins & Harvey Mandel during the Black & Blue sessions.
  10. majorlance

    majorlance Peter Stone Brown 1951-2019

    Collingswood, NJ
    (attention = songwriting credits/royalties)
  11. Mister President

    Mister President Forum Resident

    26th March 1972, 3.47pm.
  12. Say It Right

    Say It Right Not for the Hearing Impaired

    Niagara Falls
    We've had these discussions at least a few times.

    When Mick Taylor replaced Brian Jones, there basically was nobody else considered. True?

    Then when MT left, the situation was much more complex. Agreed that they wouldn't have allowed anybody to "upstage" them, but when brainstorming, no consideration is given to potential, future problems. Just list everyone possible! Maybe Frampton was even mentioned?
  13. Jonny W

    Jonny W Forum Resident

    Orangeburg NY
    Regarding Rory Gallagher's potential position in the band, Bill Wyman said that
    Gallagher would have been relegated to "playing guitar solos and learning to put
    up with two massive egos."
  14. George Blair

    George Blair Forum Resident

    Portland, OR
    What does the OP's question have to do with these answers? Every time Mick Taylor's name comes up, no matter the context, it's followed by the same laundry list of who they auditioned, and whether Ron Wood was the right choice. I don't think there's a clear answer to the actual question proposed, but I have often wondered what was going through Taylor's mind during those years with the greatest rock 'n roll band. Was he just too shallow to appreciate his position? Too introverted to let anything show? Or was he deeply troubled by the decadence surrounding the band? He can't even answer the direct question of why he quit, so it's really just speculation at this point. Considering he never really made an impression musically after leaving, it seems he may have regretted it. Another theory is that he was just too young and consciously unable to see his role objectively, or how truly great his contribution and position was at the time.
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  15. aphexj

    aphexj Sound mind & body

    I heard that Taylor thought about bailing during the Goats Head sessions in late '72/early '73. Paul Rodgers was sniffing around trying to poach him for what became Bad Company

    KR wouldn't have fired MT without really good cause to do so — he was pissed off when Taylor finally jumped ship ("no one leaves this band outside of a coffin" etc.)
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  16. Not well received at all , I would imagine.
  17. Hyde Park show 1969.
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  18. frightwigwam

    frightwigwam Talented Amateur

    Choosing the lead guitarist from The Faces (whose last three albums had been big hits in the UK, and A Nod... was #6 Billboard and certified Gold in the US) would seem to be a risky move, then.
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  19. maui jim

    maui jim Forum Resident

  20. Andersoncouncil

    Andersoncouncil Forum Resident

    upstate NY
    Not sure when, but here's my guess:
    When you write a song as breathtakingly beautiful as "Time Waits For No One" and don't receive any credit for it. That would have been it for me.

    I love Mick and Keith as much as any Stones fan, but there is a complexity to that song that is far beyond their songwriting skills.
  21. detroit muscle

    detroit muscle Senior Member

    There was an interview before Exile came out and Taylor said he had contributed writing to a few of the songs. When he only received one credit (for Ventilator Blues) I believe he was very disappointed.
  22. jwoverho

    jwoverho Forum Resident

    Mobile, AL USA
    How many times has Ronnie had a solo spot in a Stones concert to sing one of his own songs?

    Sorry I’ve digressed from the OP question. I’m sure lack of writing credits and substances were the major reasons for Taylor’s disillusion with the group.
  23. segue

    segue Forum Resident

    *Mick Taylor has in fact said this many times.
  24. vonwegen

    vonwegen Forum Resident

    First of all, he was never an equal in any sense. He only got 1 co-write credit and on a comparatively minor tune, unlike the ones he transformed into epics, like "Moonlight Mile," "Time Waits For No One" and "Winter". He also was on salary, like a hired hand, as was Woody until... 1989, when Charlie & Bill confronted Jagger & Richards about it.
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  25. Say It Right

    Say It Right Not for the Hearing Impaired

    Niagara Falls
    Some time back, yours truly made the point that Mick & Keith didn't write songs like "Time Waits for No One" after MT left. Apparently, that was entering restricted terrain. It didn't take long for another member to shoot back, "Well, Mick Taylor didn't write songs like that since!"


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