Who wrote "Black Sabbath"?

It would be interesting to know the context. In the throes of the reunion - c.f., anything said in the last twenty years - Geezer would probably agree with whatever Ozzy has claimed. The lyrics don't sound like anything Ozzy would write (and that's not much), and everything Geezer would write. But it sounds like we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

Sorry I don't remember when he lit the ciggy. It's been years since I've seen that interview.
I have heard the show Tim posted and it is magnificent. What a band!

I don't know why you insinuate Geezer is walking on eggshells around Ozzy.
Anyway, Geezer mentioned this many years ago before the reunion was even a thought. I think Geezer mentions it in the Black Sabbath Story video.
Actually, it's only recently the lyrics to Black Sabbath have been attributed to Geezer.
I wouldn't be surprised he had a hand in them, but I think Ozzy wrote the crust of the lyrics.

 

Interesting thread, just skimmed all nine pages. Regarding Sabbath's drug use, anyone read the new Van Halen bio by their former manager? Great stuff on Sabbath when they toured with VH in the late '70s. The two bands got on well and apparently Sabbath's drug use was way beyond what Van Halen were used to at the time.

 

I'm glad you think my thread is interesting
I will read that book.
Thanks
Oh, "Trainspotting" is one of my favorite movies. My favorite part is when Sickboy tells Tommy they understand that he's upset his girlfriend broke up with him but "Don't take it out on us" by making them experience nature. I laughed so hard.

 

So, you're saying what lyrics Oz writes aren't much?

 

I need to amend part of this post.
As far as I can see now, "Symptom of the Universe has no bridge. It is 3 verses and a coda? Correct me if I am wrong. I am thinking of starting a thread about song structure. Maybe like, describe the structure of your favourite song or something. Gonna need a little time and therapy beforehand to ready me for the onslaught of mean comments.

 

Trying to understand Sabbath song structure is a major pain no matter how much musical education you possess.

These guys wrote in a way that was often completely innovative and sometimes just downright unique. It's one of the reasons their music has never become "boring" for me no matter the repeated plays.

Thinking about "Symptom" I think you have something like this but I'm sure someone will correct me...

Intro
Bridge
Verse
Bridge
Verse
Bridge
Alternate Bridge
Bridge
Verse
Bridge
Alternate Bridge
Alternate Bridge Var. # 2 (w/ elec. gtr solo)
Coda (w/ vocal then ac. gtr solo)

 

Oh my gosh. I was looking at lyrics and they were written out as four different paragraphs. Oh! I got the coda part right!

What about "The Writ"?

See, would this be a cool thread?

Thanks Tim.

 

0:00-0:21 Intro using verse material
:21-:31 Turnaround
:32-1:13 Verse with turnaround
1:13-1:54 Verse with turnaround
1:55-2:25 Static Interlude with turnaround
2:26-3:06 Verse with turnaround
3:07-3:28 Static Interlude
3:29-4:14 Bridge with guitar solo
4:15-6:10 Coda with outro guitar solo

 

Thanks
OK, 4:15 is the part that I thought was a bridge. I just dig this so much. Whenever I hear the things that I think are far out like this I just imagine myself swimming in Ozzy's voice.
I read something today when I was doing my bit of research about song structure. None of it means much without a melody.

 

I had never listened to original version of Junior's Eyes with Dave Walker on vocals before.
Ozzy's melody is so much better than this, in my opinion...

 

I wasn't sure where to post this, so I brought it here. An article with Geezer:

Geezer Butler Discusses Black Sabbath's Final Show and New DVD, 'The End of the End'

 

Brad Gillis when learning the songs for Speak of the Devil said, essentially, the same thing that I bolded from your comment. He found a lot of Black Sabbath's music structure to be very unorthodox and difficult to learn because it didn't follow standard songwriting structures; weird places for bridges, etc.

 

I don't believe that story about the book but it's a good story.

 

i heard Geezer said that Ozzy Wrote the lyrics to the Black Sabbath Song

 

Rosetta Tharpe is truly amazing, thanks for bringing her up. And isn't it pretty likely that she influenced some of the artists who influenced Sabbath?

 

Just rereading this thread and I have a new appreciation for this

 

I know we've talked about this before, but I do honestly wonder how the part at 4:47-5:11 isn't heavy enough. What is it about Iommi's playing that makes it heavier than that segment?

 

Sure it is heavy and energetic etc. To me, however, many riffs and moments in Black Sabbath's work still sound heavier, mostly because the sound and tone is fuller and darker. (Anyway, of course, "sounding heavy" is not a very straightforward notion - I can totally imagine that it means something slightly (or very) different for different people.)

 

Still not heavy enough? 0:00-0:14

 

I am familiar with Zeppelin. And this is heavy, but it is also much closer to Rock'n'Roll than the song Black Sabbath or War Pigs.

 

Who wrote Black Sabbath?

Thee Great LES BAXTER!!!

 

Okay, maybe this one will finally do the trick I think you'll like the guitar sound. 0:00-0:53.

 

It is all good and heavy (and familiar) stuff. Has anyone claimed that Led Zeppelin wasn't heavy? I am not sure which point you're trying to make.

 

It was claimed that the guitar wasn't heavy enough (as compared to Sabbath, I take it). That Dazed and Confused segment (which predates the Sabbath debut by over a year) suggests otherwise.