Why are the Early 60's so Disliked?

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  1. Detroit Rock Citizen

    Detroit Rock Citizen RetroDawg Digital

    There's so much wide stereo for you to discover in the time frame Sir.
     
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  2. Detroit Rock Citizen

    Detroit Rock Citizen RetroDawg Digital

    Referring to Donnie and Marie.
     
  3. seed_drill

    seed_drill Senior Member

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    Most was still electronically processed crap, though.

    Interestingly, there is apparently a super secret stereo pressing of Del Shannon's Runaway album. Super secret in that it didn't get a different cover or index number!
     
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  4. seed_drill

    seed_drill Senior Member

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    I'll take Lenny Bruce or George Carlin over Alan Sherman. But yeah, Bob Newhart was pretty darned funny. So was Bill Cosby when we didn't know he was a monster.
     
  5. WMTC

    WMTC Forum Resident

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    Depends on your definition of "better..."
     
  6. bob_32_116

    bob_32_116 Forum Flaneur

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    Much of those early comedians' comedy, though, is funny only to Americans. That's not saying they weren't talented, or that they weren't funny, but more that their chosen subject matter always seemed to relate specifically to US politics or culture or current news. It would be like expecting Americans to find an early Barry Humphries comedy routine funny, with all its references to Australian suburban middle class society that only Aussies would be expected to get.

    The British, on the other hand, seem to be best at creating humour that can be appreciated by anyone who can understand English, without the requirement of living in the UK or being intimately familiar with UK politics and culture.

    All that aside, I could never understand the appeal of actually buying comedy records. Even the best comedy, like Monty Python, isn't that funny that I would want to listen to it repeatedly.
     
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  7. frightwigwam

    frightwigwam Talented Amateur

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    #1 singles are mainly a reflection of national airplay and the mass public taste of the moment, not the general quality of music at the time. It really doesn't take much digging past Louie, Louie to find a lot of great music in 1963, and even some of the #1 hits that year were pretty good: Telstar, Walk Right In, Hey Paula, Walk Like a Man, Our Day Will Come, Sukiyaki, Surf City, Easier Said Than Done, Fingertips, My Boyfriend's Back, I Will Follow Him, It's My Party, If You Wanna Be Happy, So Much in Love, and one of George Harrison's favorites, He's So Fine. I don't really mind hearing Sugar Shack on the Oldies station, either. That righteous fuzz-bass and organ still sounded good when Smash Mouth ripped it off three decades later, too. Of course there was some garbage mixed in with the gold, but that's true of any year.
     
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  8. Fischman

    Fischman RockMonster, ClassicalMaster, and JazzMeister

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    Great time for Jazz!
     
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  9. Detroit Rock Citizen

    Detroit Rock Citizen RetroDawg Digital

    We're going to have to agree to disagree about some of those. Plus mass public taste is a good indicator of why the Beatles ran us over likes freight train
     
  10. seed_drill

    seed_drill Senior Member

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    When you have as many albums as I do, very little gets listened to in heavy rotation. Looking at my data base, most of what I have classified as comedy is novelty music or actually on video. Probably only have a few score of standup albums.
     
  11. frightwigwam

    frightwigwam Talented Amateur

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    Not that any of those songs in particular is representative of "the best of the year," but if we're just judging #1 hits, these were the chart-toppers of 1968:

    Hello, Goodbye - The Beatles
    Judy in Disguise - John Fred & His Playboy Band
    Green Tambourine - The Lemon Pipers
    Love is Blue - Paul Mauriat
    The Dock of the Bay - Otis Redding
    Honey - Bobby Goldsboro
    Tighten Up - Archie Bell & The Drells
    Mrs. Robinson - Simon & Garfunkel
    This Guy's in Love with You - Herb Alpert
    Grazing in the Grass - Hugh Masekela
    Hello, I Love You - The Doors
    People Got to Be Free - The Rascals
    Harper Valley PTA - Jeannie C. Reilly
    Hey Jude - The Beatles
    Love Child - Diana Ross & The Supremes
    I Heard It Through the Grapevine - Marvin Gaye

    Some good songs and some dross. Most of it is really rooted in pre-Beatles music. Even a couple of the psych-tinged records are basically like early '60s pop songs with late '60s production trends. The first Beatles hit of the year is a nice tune, but also a bit of fluff. And, "Hello, I love you, won't you tell me your name?/ Hello, I love you, let me jump in your game...." Come on. Is this batch of chart-toppers really a great leap forward from 1963? No, I don't think so.
     
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  12. bob_32_116

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    Yes, actually, I think it is. :D

    I assumed when I started reading your post that it was going to presented as evidence of how much better the late 60s were than the early 60s, and was a bit stunned at the end when I realised you were in fact asserting the opposite!
     
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  13. Carl Swanson

    Carl Swanson Senior Member

    Sadly, the "folk music" craze was just as polluted by "accessible" pablum as any other fad.
     
  14. Carl Swanson

    Carl Swanson Senior Member

    That is the profile that my collection reveals.
     
  15. Carl Swanson

    Carl Swanson Senior Member

    Work --> money --> music hardware / software
     
  16. Detroit Rock Citizen

    Detroit Rock Citizen RetroDawg Digital

    I'd take this list over 63's anyday.
     
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  17. I didn't say anything about paychecks being overrated. :)
     
  18. bob_32_116

    bob_32_116 Forum Flaneur

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    ...but surely we can all agree that Johnny Cash was better than Johnny Paycheck?
     
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  19. Carl Swanson

    Carl Swanson Senior Member

    To wit, here's a count of albums by genre in my collection for each year from 1960-1963, excluding latter-year compilations:

    1960
    Jazz: 8
    Classical: 4
    Country: 3
    R&B: 2
    Blues: 1
    Original cast: 1
    Soundtrack: 1
    World/ethnic: 1

    1961
    Jazz: 12
    Country: 3
    Classical: 2
    Soundtrack: 2
    Blues: 1
    R&B: 1

    1962
    Jazz: 5
    Country: 3*
    Soundtrack: 3
    Folk: 2
    Blues: 1
    Christmas: 1
    Classical: 1
    Novelty: 1
    Pop standards: 1
    Rock & pop: 1

    1963
    Jazz: 13
    Country: 5
    Rock & pop: 4
    R&B: 3
    Christmas: 3
    Classical: 2
    Folk: 2
    Soundtrack: 2

    1960-63 by genre
    Jazz: 38
    Country: 14
    Classical: 9
    Soundtrack: 8
    R&B: 6
    Rock & pop: 5
    Christmas: 4
    Folk: 4
    Blues: 3
    Novelty: 1
    Original cast: 1
    Pop standards: 1
    World/ethnic: 1

    (* Incl. Ray Charles's Modern Sounds in Country and Western Music, Vols. 1 & 2.)
     
  20. Carl Swanson

    Carl Swanson Senior Member

    They don't exist without work.
     
  21. Carl Swanson

    Carl Swanson Senior Member

    Only time will tell.

    . . . oh, wait . . . time has already told!
     
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  22. All Down The Line

    All Down The Line The Under Asst East Coast White Label Promo Man

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    So for your tastes at least perhaps it seems the best music from those years is Jazz?
     
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  23. Michael

    Michael I LOVE WIDE S-T-E-R-E-O!

    Indeed...you got it..all been discovered! and purchased years ago...
     
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  24. Michael

    Michael I LOVE WIDE S-T-E-R-E-O!

    it's been said, told and recognized...Mr. Cash wins in my book...
     
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  25. Michael

    Michael I LOVE WIDE S-T-E-R-E-O!

    fat chance...
     
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