Why Giles Won’t Remix Rubber Soul/Revolver

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by danielkov86, Jul 29, 2021.

  1. danielkov86

    danielkov86 Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Didn’t see this posted in the first two pages of the forum, so don’t kill me if this was posted already.

    But apparently Giles has spoken out about why he won’t remix Rubber Soul and Revolver.

    Why the Beatles Haven't Remixed 'Rubber Soul' or 'Revolver' Yet

    Tldr - too many of the lead vocals were recorded with other instruments at the same time.

    Sorry, but this excuse pisses me off. Giles seems to think Beatles fans want some completely different listening experience, but I think what most of us want is a decent stereo mix of the two albums. I don’t care if most of the songs are mono with maybe one track panned - as long as the drums, bass and lead vocal are center (i.e., basically how all music post 60’s sounds) it would be an improvement.
     
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  2. Tommyboy

    Tommyboy Senior Member

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    Then bring in someone who is more competent than Giles.
     
  3. TheHutt

    TheHutt Forum Resident

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    Even his Dad failed at it in 1987.
     
  4. Tommyboy

    Tommyboy Senior Member

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    Who made him the gatekeeper? Assign the albums to Paul Hicks or the guy who remixes the progressive rock albums.
     
  5. Zongadude

    Zongadude Music is the best

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    Rubber soul has already been remixed in 1987.
    Nowhere man and Think for yourself have already been remixed on Yellow Submarine Songtrack.
    None of these were satisfactory or even relevant.

    Let's leave it at that ;)
     
  6. Zongadude

    Zongadude Music is the best

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    Steven Schmillson ?
    Please no ;)

    (I love the guy's own music. I don't like his remixes.)
     
  7. Tommyboy

    Tommyboy Senior Member

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    I really don’t care either way.
     
  8. DK Pete

    DK Pete Forum Resident

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    Technology has advanced considerably since 1987. With all due respect to Giles, he should give a listen to his dad's' remix of Nowhere Man from '87 and follow it with Peter Cobbin's' remix on Yellow Submaribe Songtrack from 12 years later. And here we are 22 years after *that*. I don't get it.
     
  9. forthlin

    forthlin Forum Resident

    The RockBand mixes are pretty good and they didn't even have the actual multi-track masters to work with, and that was 12 years ago. I hear fan remixes that are half way decent, not sure why Giles couldn't do something with all the sources and tech at his disposal.
     
  10. mark winstanley

    mark winstanley Certified dinosaur, who likes physical product

    I think the idea of a surround mix, is creating a broader soundstage.

    When done well, and for the most part, most of what Giles has done is pretty good, it gives you a headphones without headphones feel, with real separation, but still balanced.

    My understanding is that they are playing with track separation technology, to try and achieve the kind of results that would warrant a surround mix.
    Although I would love surround mixes from both these albums, it really would be a waste of everyone's time to put out some half assed mix with vocals, guitar, bass and effects in fake steteo across the front, and drums in the rear.... or something like that.

    When surround first started coming around there were a number of dodgy mixes that damaged its reputation, and earned the same gimmick tag that stereo did at the beginning.
    Then at the rebirth at the turn of the millennium we had cheapo companies mastering stereo mixes into a 5.1 field, and that was crap also.

    Though I understand the hardcore Beatles fans objections to the remixing, Giles has done a good job under a lot of pressure. He has done a better job each time, and to do the earlier albums, it is going to require that track splitting technology to work, well, for it to happen...... if it does, it could be quite sensational.
     
  11. DK Pete

    DK Pete Forum Resident

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    Oh well.....couldn't disagree more. Another great example are the beautiful remixes of the Help! songs in the bluray from quite a few years back.
     
  12. teag

    teag Forum Resident

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    Absolutely. Getting Giles replaced would be a plus for sure.
     
  13. Clonesteak

    Clonesteak Forum Resident

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    I would love nothing more than a decent stereo mix of these two albums. The mono will always be my go to but… there has to be someone out there that could make an awesome stereo mix that doesn’t suck. I don’t care for either album in its entirety in stereo. Tomorrow Never Knows in stereo is my go to version.
    I wonder how many extras they have in the vaults on these two albums? I am ready for the remixed boxed sets of both albums. :waiting:
     
  14. joeislive

    joeislive Streets Ahead

    They would be foolish not to release deluxe sets for the remaining studio albums in one of the most influential, not to mention profitable catalogs in popular music history. The remixes are almost an inconsequential inclusion for me personally, other then Pepper none of them have become my go to’s but I am glad to have them for the different mixes. The real draw for me are the unreleased material and the books. If we can get superior mixes all the better. But there are only so many ways to skin a cat, so other then redoing the catalog in surround or the stereo box in all analog, there’s not that many more ways they can resell the catalog is there? Then again if they can keep releasing multi disc Sex Pistols box sets, they can do it with the Beatles as well. Just hopefully they get through the whole catalog once before the Sgt Pepper 60th anniversary set.
     
  15. Greenalishi

    Greenalishi Forum Resident

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    I wrote a thread about this but didn’t start it because I was scared there were several already here. So weird with the beatle stuff. These comments prove it. Interesting article. Probably nails it. Soon the technology will be there. But fun to hear his informed, non internet hate type opinion.


    My thought was the record label that Steve Hoffman highlighted doing Doo op and 50s stuff amazingly. Love those CDs. Taking the old into now quite well.
     
  16. HotelYorba101

    HotelYorba101 Forum Resident

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    I mean to be fair to Giles it is a lose-lose situation, either make remixes and get complaints for the remix, or don't remix it based on feeling like he can't do the type of work he wants to do, and gets complaints from that

    Sometimes I do think Giles gets a raw deal on these forums
     
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  17. Millstone50

    Millstone50 Well-Known Member

    You're literally asking him to unmix the bounced tracks, as if this is something that's routinely done.
     
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  18. varispeed

    varispeed what if?

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    spleeter and demucs tech is actually getting better. Nice advances in the past two years alone imo that work fairly well on 1965 4trk stuff of mine that I un-mix. I too, sort of wait for the code routines to get a little better on some elements.

    I give it another 2-3 years for the code to be at the point where Giles can get some clean extractions to build out a new set of multitracks for some nice remixes.

    I consider it totally worth the wait.
     
  19. Mang

    Mang Forum Resident

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    Yikes
     
  20. boggs

    boggs Multichannel Machiavellian

    Oh, please.....he will have a stab at it....cut me a break. .........
     
  21. boggs

    boggs Multichannel Machiavellian

    Not that I am happy about it......
     
  22. Michael

    Michael I LOVE WIDE S-T-E-R-E-O!

    Why Giles Won’t Remix Rubber Soul/Revolver
    best news I heard all day...
     
  23. Mang

    Mang Forum Resident

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    Maybe a wider mono and stereo release? 2 LPs with a nice booklet, 1 LP of outtakes.
     
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  24. Michael

    Michael I LOVE WIDE S-T-E-R-E-O!

    agree 1,000 percent! let's get Steve Hoffman!
     
  25. Keith V

    Keith V Forum Resident

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    Tepo Nism
     

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