Biggest CD screw-up ever

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Joel1963, Jul 3, 2003.

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  1. MartinGr

    MartinGr Senior Member

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    Germany/Berlin
    Yes, Rhino's remaster of Brian Wilson has some wrong mixes too. Especially the end of "Melt Away" misses beautiful background vocals...


    Two more CD dissapointments of mine:

    My Steely Dan/Pretzel Logic remaster misses the intro of "Rikki don't lose that number" - but I think this a wide-spred flaw... did they fix it?

    And my Bowie/Lodger has the inner pages of Tin Machine... I wanted to exchange it, but at that time the was no correct booklet in any store. (now it is, one year too late).

    Martin
     
  2. Grant

    Grant Life is a rock, but the radio rolled me!

    They fixed it.
     
  3. Grant

    Grant Life is a rock, but the radio rolled me!

    One screw up is where the mastering engineer forgot to fade out the track "Up On Soul Train" on the Whispers "Imagination" CD by the Right Stuff. The song just cuts off. The original LP has a nice, smooth fade. Supposedly, they corrected later CD issues of this but I don't want to buy another only to find that the store I buy from had old copies on hand.

    The same thing happened in 1988 with the R&B group's debut CD. The first song "Let's Try Again" cuts off, while the version on their greatest hits fades. Since it was a new CD at the time, I thought it was supposed to end abruptly. You never know...
     
  4. Joel1963

    Joel1963 Senior Member Thread Starter

    Location:
    Montreal
    Here's another BIG screw-up, typical of the whole Who remaster/remix series from '95. The original version of Trick of the Light, from Who Are You, opens with some explosive drumming from Keith Moon. The remix inserts completely different, much less exciting, drumming in that same spot. Why in God's name did this happen — an outrage! Other remixes on other albums have lost some elements of their original mixes as well.

    I don't know if this was a screw-up, but on The Who soundtrack The Kids Are Alright, the drumming at the climax of Won't Get Fooled Again is completely different on the LP/CD than it is in the movie. I have a feeling Keith re-recorded the drums in a studio because the original wasn't considered good enough for the soundtrack album. As a fan of the movie, I thought the original drumming was very exciting, especially as it builds towards Roger Daltrey's scream.
    Anyone definitively know what happened here?
     
  5. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialistâ„¢

    Location:
    B.C.
    MFSL's Pink Floyd: Dark Side Of The Moon has "Breathe" labeled as track 2 when in fact it is part of track 1 "Speak To Me".

    MFSL's Pink Floyd: The Wall has the a wrong start at the beginning of track 4 disc 1. It should start with the faint sound of the helicopter coming in as opposed to the abrupt sound of the crash cymbal which is actually 30 sec. into track 4 which also means that track 3 is 30 sec. too long. I'm sure that I could find other anomalies if I felt like it.

    This might not seem like a very big deal but when I'm paying premium price I want premium product. I want the real album and not someone other than the artists interpretation of it.
     
  6. AtcoFan

    AtcoFan Senior Member

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    From
    http://groups.google.com/groups?q=v...F-8&[email protected]&rnum=2

    ... "Guilty Pleasures," a volume of Sony Special Products "Risky Business" series... There was a controversy involved with a song on it being included at the wrong speed. 45RPM when it should have been 33 1/3 or the other way around. I think it's "Washington Square" by the Village Stompers....

    The producers of this CD told ICE that they had wanted to reissue it with the song that was at the wrong speed corrected,
    but due to the disappointing sales of the CD, they did not do this.

    1. Quick Joey Small (Run Joey Run) performed by Kasenetz-Katz Singing Orchestral... - 2:23
    2. Best Friend performed by Puppet - 2:19
    3. Camaro performed by The Cyrkle - 2:14
    4. Washington Square performed by Village Stompers - 2:03
    5. Melody for an Unknown Girl performed by Revere, Paul & the Raiders - 2:02
    6. Magic performed by Pilot - 3:04
    7. Silver Heels performed by Blaze - 2:59
    8. L. David Sloane performed by Michelle Lee - 2:10
    9. Blue Velvet performed by Bobby Vinton - 2:48
    10. Gilbert Green performed by Gerry Marsden - 3:05
    11. Pandora's Golden Heebie Jeebies performed by The Association - 2:49
    12. Almost Summer performed by Celebration / Mike Love - 2:29
     
  7. jgrig0

    jgrig0 Active Member

    I have the Ultimate Dusty Springfield CD that has the tracks listed in the wrong order. e.g. 7 is 5, etc. I have a Jawbox cd that has a kick ass version of Tori Amos' Cornflake Girl, but it's not listed on the track listing and you wouldn't find it at all if you didn't let the CD play for an extra minute or so. KORN's Get a Life CD has about a minute of dead silence before the first song starts, but they probably did that on purpose thinking it was "cool".
     
  8. czeskleba

    czeskleba Senior Member

    Location:
    Seattle
    We could do an entire thread on screw-ups and bad aesthetic choices associated with the Who reissue series. To me the worst one of all, however, is the complete omission of the lead guitar from the remix of Under My Thumb on the remastered Odds and Sods disc. I mean, this was a LOUD, grungy, in your face Townshend lead guitar. How could anyone not notice it was missing?

    I know Keith did record drum overdubs for that song shortly before his death. I'd never noticed the film version being different than the soundtrack, though, so I'd always assumed the overdubs were used on both. It's been awhile since I've seen the film, though.
     
  9. CT Dave

    CT Dave Senior Member

    Location:
    Connecticut
    Originally posted by AtcoFan


    ... "Guilty Pleasures," a volume of Sony Special Products "Risky Business" series... There was a controversy involved with a song on it being included at the wrong speed. 45RPM when it should have been 33 1/3 or the other way around. I think it's "Washington Square" by the Village Stompers....



    I have this CD. They dubbed "Washington Square" from a vinyl LP, but played the the LP at 45. Amazing how someone down the chain of production didn't catch this.
     
  10. Bobo U2

    Bobo U2 Active Member

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  11. ascot

    ascot Senior Member

    Location:
    Wisconsin
    Great story - thanks for posting that. My favorite part was at the end:

    "When CDs first came out," (Phil) Ramone explains, "they were still pressing vinyl as well. After we made the master, a copy of it would be specially equalized and compressed for vinyl, which had different requirements. You needed to boost the EQ on band five of every record, for example, because of the inner diameter being smaller. For a while, CBS was making CDs from the equalized copy; Billy Joel's 'Nylon Curtain,' for example, didn't sound at all like it was intended to. A lot of people [in the company] didn't realize the equalized master is not the master."
     
  12. SamS

    SamS Forum Legend

    Location:
    Texas
    On the Pink Floyd Relics CD reissue from around '95, the track times listed on the disc are waaay off, like several minutes.
     
  13. HGN2001

    HGN2001 Mystery picture member

    Two early CD screwups from A&M:

    Classics Vol. 1 - Herb Alpert & The Tijuana Brass - This was the big 25th Anniversary of A&M and a big 27 disc series was released featuring many of the label's top artists. Volume 1 went to label founder Herb Alpert, but someone screwed up the track sequencing. At the end of track 13, "So What's New", the track just continued through the entire next track of "Spanish Flea." The track numbering then continued to be off until the middle of track 17, supposedly "Jerusalem", but because of the earlier error became "Zorba The Greek." Halfway through the track, where the song virtually stops for the slow part, the track indexing jumps to the next number, so the two parts of the song are in two different tracks. The effect of this was that the rest of the disc was now numbered correctly. A&M later corrected the mistake and I believe offered customers a free exchange. Being a collector, I kept mine and just bought another.

    Yesterday Once More - Carpenters - One of the early titles in A&M's CD catalog (1985) was the big two-disc set featuring Carpenters biggest hits with some tracks sporting fresh new remixes from Richard. Though the discs played fine, someone goofed again in the field of track numbering, but this time it was really just a goof in the labelling of the track numbers on the face of one of the discs. There are 27 tracks spread over the two discs, and someone, somehow got the wrong idea of continuing the numbering sequence onto disc two. Thus, on the face of the disc, the first track is numbered [14], the second [15] and so on. The tray's inserts are all labelled correctly as was the longbox, but a paper note was included that read:

    USER PLEASE NOTE: SONGS 14 THRU 27 ON DISC 2 SHOULD BE ENTERED IN YOUR COMPACT DISC PLAYER AS 1 THRU 14 FOR PROPER PROGRAMMING.

    Those discs, by the way, were manufactured in Germany by PolyGram.
     
  14. KeithH

    KeithH Success With Honor...then and now

    Location:
    Beaver Stadium
    Uncle Al said:

    I recently got a West German pressing of Aqualung on the Chrysalis label that has the guitar intro just once. My old US Jethro Tull CDs have the intro twice. Is the version with the intro just once an error? Was a different master used? Which version is on the original LP?
     
  15. KeithH

    KeithH Success With Honor...then and now

    Location:
    Beaver Stadium
    Correction: I hadn't listened to my old US CRC disc in awhile. Like the West German CD, it has the guitar intro. to "Aqualung" just once. My US remaster has the intro twice. I'm pretty sure one of older Tull CDs has the intro twice. Perhaps it's my old "M.U." CD. I'll have to give that a listen.

    By the way, in comparing the West German, US CRC, and US remastered CDs, I like the West German disc. The other two sound muddy by comparison.
     
  16. Stateless

    Stateless New Member

    Location:
    USA
    Any idea when they fixed that Wilson? I bought it about 6 months after it came out on Amazon.
     
  17. britt2001b

    britt2001b Senior Member

    Location:
    United States
    My mother bought a Roger Whitaker CD that was correctly labeled but it only played Rap music from another artist. True story. I did not make this up!
     
  18. levi

    levi Can't Stand Up For Falling Down In Memoriam

    Location:
    North Carolina
    the originial LP release of the Clash's Combat Rock had a sample from a commercial for a toilet bowl cleaner called 2000 Flushes playing in the background on Inoculated City. the company objected to the unauthorized use of its material, so the sample was removed from subsequent reissues -- including the 1986 CD -- of Combat Rock.

    when the band's albums were remastered and re-released a few years ago, 2000 Flushes (the company) had either fallen to the wayside or was no longer a copyright concern. as a result, the remastered version includes the sample again.

    that's a lot of spinning around in circles for a company who thought its image had been soiled.

    (sorry about that)

    Dave Marsh reports that She's the One on all versions of Springsteen's Born to Run is in mono simply because no one noticed.

    and of course there's the great CCR Live at Royal Albert Hall, released in all its glory, only to find that the concert isn't from the Royal Albert Hall at all. I still have my LP which has a sticker on the front announcing: WE GOOFED and explaining what happened. subsequent releases were simply called The Concert.

    not quite as catchy, but John and the boys manage to make up for it on the album.
     
  19. KeithH

    KeithH Success With Honor...then and now

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    By the way, I noticed that the Aqualung CDs that have the single guitar intro have it repeated at about the 5:15 mark.
     
  20. pdenny

    pdenny 22-Year SHTV Participation Trophy Recipient

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    Hawthorne CA
    About 20 years ago I bought John Fahey's BLIND JOE DEATH on LP. One side was all Fahey, but the flip was side one of I ROBOT. Sure wish I had kept that!!!
     
  21. bartels76

    bartels76 Forum Hall Of Fame

    Location:
    CT
    When Deep Purple House Of Blue Light got remastered they used the LP version rather than the longer CD version of the album. Most of the songs ran longer on the CD (some by a minute or more) than the LP when it was first issued.
     
  22. Holy Zoo

    Holy Zoo Gort (Retired) :-)

    Location:
    Santa Cruz
    Nob, I think you pretty well confused a lot of folks here, since "we" have our own "Magic Alex".

    I presume that you're not referring to the Gortly Magic, but to this one?

    http://www.richieunterberger.com/fall2002books.html
     
  23. Grant

    Grant Life is a rock, but the radio rolled me!

    They fixed it just weeks after it initially came out. They never recalled the bad ones, but I guess there are a lot still on the shelves.
     
  24. Stateless

    Stateless New Member

    Location:
    USA
    I probably wouldn't know if something was missing because I don't know the album that well, but if there a particular song that has something noticable absent so I can tell if I have the wrong copy. Thanks for the help...
     
  25. oxenholme

    oxenholme Senile member

    Location:
    Knoydart
    What do you call the first pressing? Do you mean the original limited edition German pressing or was there a different Italian pressing? I've got both, and the mixes seem identical. I think that they came from the same source as Westwood One Radio Networks Rarities on Compact Disc Vol 14.
     
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