Billie Holiday Kodachrome and a Ray Charles studio pic. QUESTIONS..

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  1. Steve Hoffman

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    Ray Charles session, early 60's. Photo © Howard Morehead.jpg Billie Holiday ( by Carl Van Vechten ) two best.jpg Anyone know why on earth this sexy (and daring) pic of Billie Holiday was taken? It's from 1949 by Carl Van Vechten. Second question, what studio is this that Ray and the choir is using? This is the first pic I've ever seen that shows the "whitebread" group that Ray loved to record with. Photo by Howard Morehead. It can only be one of three studios: United in Hollywood, Capitol in New York and Bell in New York. I think it's United.. Any thoughts?
     
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    Ray didn't see color.
     
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    these are cool photographs.
     
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  4. jtaylor

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    Van Vechten had a knack for getting people to take their clothes off - just saw some images of a topless Pearl Bailey from '46.
     
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  5. Jerry

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    She was trying to get Bill Bailey (no relation) to come home.
     
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    I would think that the Ray Charles picture was from the "Modern Sounds in Country and Western Music" sessions whatever studio those were held in. I loved those records (especially the first) and thought the paring of Ray with the "white bread" choir worked great with the country ballads. After that LP I found the Atlantic "Ray Charles Story" (Vol. i,2 and 3) and those made me a huge Ray fan. He could do it all.
     
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    Those Pearl Bailey shots are amazing. Beautiful.
     
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  8. I Love Music

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    I think you're probably right about the Ray Charles photo being taken at United Recording Studios in Hollywood. The Ray Charles Video Museum website indicates that the photo is from the Modern Sounds 2 recording sessions with the Jack Halloran Singers. I believe they worked with Ray in Hollywood and not on the New York sessions.
     
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  9. Steve Hoffman

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    Ah, thanks. Notice the separation of the boys from the girls? On the "string side" recorded at United for C&W Volume 2, engineer Al Schmitt (unlike the first album by Bill Putnam) spread the chorus in stereo for those songs only (never again on any Ray recording, either).

    I never realized they were so close to Ray. The giant cavern echo makes it difficult to imagine the setup but that pic brings home the fact that everyone was close to each other so they could hear without headphones. Totally neat.
     
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    Great pics and that Billie Holliday shot is definitley daring for the time.
     
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    It's United, with the Jack Haloran Singers, recording for side 2 of Modern Sounds Vol. 2, on September 7, 1962.
     
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    Jack Halloran did some neat stuff with Dean Martin. I think it was the "Houston" album. And his singers were part of the Dean Martin TV Show for a period, too.
     
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  14. jgreen

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    I also thought there were a lot more of them. I imagined a large choir. (I'm thinking more of the 1st. Mod. Sounds.)
     
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  15. Steve Hoffman

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    That is echo. It makes 8 sound like 80.
     
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    Amazing what a "wet" mix of a recording will do for its sound...it can go from in-your-face intimacy to downright cavernous...
     
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  17. Steve Hoffman

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    That's why when we hear the dry version of this type of stuff it sounds so wrong..
     
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  18. Steve Hoffman

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    Recording - Studio New York, Ray Charles, Raelette (c) Jim Marhall - 1962 2.jpg Recording - Studio New York, Ray Charles, (c) Jim Marhall - 1962.jpg This looks like BELL SOUND, NYC, 1962 (Photos by Jim Marshall).
     
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    Nice. All Nice. Thanks!
     
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  20. stumpy

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    I've been trying to positively identify this supposed picture of Billie. It looks like it was a couple of years either side of the picture posted above. Seems she was a little heavier. As scarred up as her right arm and neck were, I'm surprised she agreed to pose for anything that even came close to those areas in the OP post. She may be covering one up with her left hand. Sorry for the poor quality of this, though I do love that smile.
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  21. Steve Hoffman

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    That's Billie, yes. Later.
     
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  22. chewy

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    that pic looks like its from the 80s
     
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  23. blue

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    Hey there, does anyone have a clue how to get the following picture in a good quality? I grabbed it out of a documentation on TV.

    It really has a great expression and is fantastic IMO. Thanks!

    Sorry I guess I should have posted it into another thread as this one is just about session pics

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  24. C6H12O6

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    Holy crap, kind of a shock to see a photo of Billie like that - up until now, she was fully clothed in just about everything I've seen her in.
     
    C6H12O6, Jul 31, 2015
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