*Bob Dylan* Freewheelin's outtakes CD (SONY copyright issues)

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  1. Tommyboy

    Tommyboy Senior Member

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    November 14, 1962

    This is according to Clinton Heylin's book, "Bob Dylan: The Recording Sessions (1960-1994)".
     
  2. Tommyboy

    Tommyboy Senior Member

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    Using Clinton Heylin's Recording Sessions book, I have tried to identify the recording dates for each track. There are gaps:

    Going Down To New Orleans (mx. CO 70085-1)

    Going Down To New Orleans (mx. CO 70085-2) - 4/24/62

    Sally Gal (mx. CO 70086-2)

    Sally Gal (mx. CO 70086-3)

    Rambling Gambling Willie (mx. CO 70087-1)

    Rambling Gambling Willie (mx. CO 70087-3)

    Corrina, Corrina (mx. CO 70088-1)

    Corrina, Corrina (mx. CO 70088-2) - 4/24/62

    The Death Of Emmett Till (mx. CO 70089-1) - 4/24/62

    (I Heard That) Lonesome Whistle (mx. CO 70091-2) - 4/24/62

    Rocks And Gravel (Solid Road) (mx. CO 70096-3) - 4/25/62

    Sally Gal (mx. CO 70086-4) - 4/24/62

    Sally Gal (mx. CO 70086-5)

    Baby, Please Don't Go (mx. CO 70099-1)

    Baby, Please Don't Go (mx. CO 70099-3) - 4/25/62

    Milk Cow (Calf's) Blues (Good Morning Blues) (mx. CO 70100-1)

    Milk Cow (Calf's) Blues (Good Morning Blues) (mx. CO 70100-3) - 4/25/62

    Wichita Blues (Going To Louisiana) (mx. CO 70101-1)

    Talking Bear Mountain Picnic Massacre Blues (mx. CO 70102-2)

    Milk Cow (Calf's) Blues (Good Morning Blues) (mx. CO 70100-4) - 4/25/62

    Wichita Blues (Going To Louisiana) (mx. CO 70101-2) - 4/25/62

    Baby, I'm In The Mood For You (mx. CO 75717-2)

    Blowin' In The Wind (mx. CO 75719-1)

    Blowin' In The Wind (mx. CO 75719-2)

    Worried Blues (mx. CO 75723-1)

    Baby, I'm In The Mood For You (mx. CO 75717-4) - 7/9/62

    Bob Dylan's Blues (mx. CO 75718-2)

    Bob Dylan's Blues (mx. CO 75718-3) - 7/9/62

    Corrina, Corrina (mx. CO 76981-2)

    Corrina, Corrina (mx. CO 76981-3)

    That's All Right, Mama (mx. CO 76983-1)

    That's All Right, Mama (mx. CO 76983-3) - 11/1/62

    That's All Right, Mama (mx. CO 76983-5)

    Mixed Up Confusion (mx. CO 76982-3)

    Mixed Up Confusion (mx. CO 76982-5) - 10/26/62

    Mixed Up Confusion (mx. CO 76982-6)

    Mixed Up Confusion (mx. CO 76982-7)

    Mixed Up Confusion (mx. CO 76982-9)

    Mixed Up Confusion (mx. CO 76982-10) - 11/1/62

    Mixed Up Confusion (mx. CO 76982-11) - 11/14/62

    That's All Right, Mama (remake/overdub CO76893-3) - 11/1/62

    Rocks And Gravel (Solid Road) (mx. CO 76986-2)

    Ballad Of Hollis Brown (mx. CO 77003-2) - 11/14/62

    Kingsport Town (mx. CO 77004-1) - 11/14/62?

    When Death Comes Creepin' (Whatcha Gonna Do?) (mx. CO 77005-1) - 11/14/62?

    Hero Blues (mx. CO 77020-1) - 12/6/62

    When Death Comes Creepin' (Whatcha Gonna Do?) (mx. CO 77021-1) - 12/6/62

    I Shall Be Free (mx. CO 77023-3) - 12/6/62

    I Shall Be Free (mx. CO 77023-5) - 12/6/62

    Hero Blues (mx. CO 77020-2) - 12/6/62

    Hero Blues (mx. CO 77020-4) - 12/6/62
     
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  3. Sean Murdock

    Sean Murdock Forum Intruder

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    The info sheet that Sony distributed with the physical copies has the recording dates and publishing info. It's too large for me to upload here, but "Hollis Brown" is indeed from November 14, 1962.
     
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  4. lschwart

    lschwart Senior Member

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    Yes. It was one of several solo acoustic performances recorded that day, after the last of the "band" sessions ended. Here's Olof Bjorner's rundown for that session:


    290
    Studio A

    Columbia Recording Studios

    New York City, New York

    14 November 1962


    The 6th Freewheelin’ Bob Dylan session, produced by John Hammond.





    1.
    Mixed-Up Confusion
    2.
    Mixed-Up Confusion
    3.
    Mixed-Up Confusion
    4.
    Mixed-Up Confusion
    5.
    Mixed-Up Confusion
    6.
    Mixed-Up Confusion
    7.
    Mixed-Up Confusion
    8.
    Mixed-Up Confusion
    9.
    Mixed-Up Confusion
    10.
    Mixed-Up Confusion
    11.
    Mixed-Up Confusion
    12.
    Mixed-Up Confusion
    13.
    Mixed-Up Confusion
    14.
    Mixed-Up Confusion
    15.
    Mixed-Up Confusion
    16.
    Don't Think Twice, It's All Right
    17.
    Ballad Of Hollis Brown
    18.
    Ballad Of Hollis Brown
    19.
    Kingsport Town
    20.
    Kingsport Town
    21.
    Whatcha Gonna Do





    Bob Dylan (guitar, harmonica, vocal).



    1-15George Barnes (guitar), Bruce Langhorne (guitar), Dick Wellstood (piano), Gene Ramey (bass) and Herb Lovelle (drums).



    16-21Bruce Langhorne (guitar).



    CO-numbers:

    76982Mixed-Up Confusion

    77002Don't Think Twice, It's All Right

    77003Ballad Of Hollis Brown

    77004Kingsport Town

    77005Whatcha Gonna Do



    References

    Clinton Heylin: Bob Dylan. The Recording Sessions [1960 – 1994]. St. Martin’s Press December 1995, pp. 13–18.

    Glen Dundas: Tangled Up In Tapes. A Recording History of Bob Dylan. SMA Services 1999, page 10.



    Official releases

    10 released on BIOGRAPH, Columbia C5X & C3K 38830, 28 October 1985.

    13released on single Columbia 4-42656, 14 December 1962.

    16released on the promotional edition of THE FREEWHEELIN' BOB DYLAN, Columbia CL-1986, April 1962.

    16 released on THE FREEWHEELIN' BOB DYLAN, Columbia CL-1986, May 27 1963.

    16 released in mono as part of the CD box BOB DYLAN THE ORIGINAL MONO RECORDINGS, Columbia MONO–88697761042, 18 October 2010.

    16released on single Columbia 4-42856, 1963.

    16released on MASTERPIECES, CBS/SONY 57 AP875-7, March 1978 in Japan, and later 1978 in Australia and New Zealand.

    16released on BOB DYLAN'S GREATEST HITS, VOL. 2, Columbia KG-31120, 17 November 1971.

    16released in the UK on THE ESSENTIAL BOB DYLAN, Columbia C2K 85168, 31 October 2000.

    16 released on 3 CD box set DYLAN, Columbia 88697114202-D1, 1 October 2007.

    16 released on LOVESICK, Victoria’s Secret Exclusive, Sony Music A 72812, 2004.

    18, 19, 21 released in England, France, Germany and Sweden on THE 50TH ANNIVERSARY COLLECTION, Sony Music Entertainment 87564 60722, 28 December 2012.

    20 released on THE BOOTLEG SERIES (RARE & UNRELEASED) 1961-1991, Volume 1, Columbia 468 086 2, 26 March 1991.



    Notes

    Recording sheets from this session is missing, the info is taken from Dundas.

    Recorded 3-5 pm.

    Clinton Heylin mentions an electric Don't Think Twice, It's All Right and a dixieland version of Mixed-Up Confusion as rumoured takes.

    13 overdubbed by unidentified musicians 8 December 1964.

    Only 10, 13, 16, 18-21 are in circulation.

    2–5, 14, and 17 are fragments only.

    6, 12, 19 are incomplete takes.

    THE 50TH ANNIVERSARY COLLECTION is called THE COPYRIGHT EXTENSION COLLECTION, VOL. 1 in Germany.



    Studio recordings.

    Session info updated 3 January 2013.

    http://www.bjorner.com/DSN00150 1962.htm#DSN00290

    L.
     
  5. cc--

    cc-- Forum Resident

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    interesting ... I'm glad to hear it, but this version of "Hollis Brown" is surely inferior to the Times version! (even with the normally superb Langhorne accompaniment)
     
  6. Not like the artwork is anything to write home about...
     
  7. slane

    slane Forum Resident

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    I believe the electric Don't Think Twice was a mistake by Heylin. He was confused by the notes that said outside musicians played on the track. It turned out that Bruce Langhorne plays the fingerpicked acoustic guitar on the official take, with Dylan on vocals and harmonica.
     
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  8. lschwart

    lschwart Senior Member

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    From what I understand this is probably correct, but I don't think it's been absolutely confirmed.

    L.
     
  9. The source for this is Langhorne himself, according to Heylin.
    From Heylin's book "Revolution In the Air: The Songs of Bob Dylan Vol. 1: 1957-73" (page 124 in the Constable paperback edition from 2010):
     
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  10. slane

    slane Forum Resident

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    Although I don't think Dylan played any guitar on it, personally. I don't hear any other guitar bleed into his vocal mic, which would certainly have picked it up. Just Bruce on guitar and Bob on vocals and harmonica.

    BTW, there's no outtakes of this on the new CDs. Were there any?
     
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  11. bobcat

    bobcat Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    I always wondered about the fingerpicked guitar on 'Don't Think Twice' and why Dylan never played it that way live....is it because he never played that way it in the first place?....and couldn't?

    I haven't listened to my copy of the Witmark Demos for a while...does he finger pick on that version?
     
  12. lschwart

    lschwart Senior Member

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    The thing is, he does fingerpick the Witmark demo version, using the same pattern. It's not as fluent or sure as the Freewheelin' version, but it's clear he could do it. I think he fingerpicks it at the 1963 Town Hall concert, too (although not in 1964 on Bootleg Vol 6). He strums it on the Gaslight 1962 version. I need to look again at how Heylin characterizes Langhorne's claim. Langhorne's recollection might not be definitive, but we don't have any absolute evidence either way. The absence of any bleed from Dylan's own guitar in his vocal mic, can cut both ways. It suggests that there was no second guitar, but that doesn't mean that the one guitar had to be Langhonre's. It's hard to imagine Dylan singing without playing himsef at this stage of the game, but who knows?

    L.
     
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  13. cc--

    cc-- Forum Resident

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    yeah, I think it's Dylan fingerpicking the guitar. It doesn't sound like he usually does, but it also doesn't sound like Langhorne. Is there any other song on the album where Dylan is not accompanying himself on the guitar?
     
  14. Are folks making their own artwork to fit a quad CD case for this?
     
  15. carville

    carville Forum Resident

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    Thanks Sony!
     
  16. Tommyboy

    Tommyboy Senior Member

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    I'm listening to this set for the 1st time. Wow!!

    I love Mixed Up Confusion and especially Corrina Corrina. I'm getting into these outtakes and the SQ is really good. I'm shocked. As mentioned previously, some of this material has been circulating on bootlegs, but never before in this quality.

    The alternate take of The Ballad of Hollis Brown was on the Vigotone CD, The Freewheelin' Sessions. I think it was sourced from an acetate.

    It's a good time to be a Bob Dylan fan.
     
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  17. bubba-ho-tep

    bubba-ho-tep Resident Ne'er-Do-Well

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    I think the only thing on this set that I could easily do without are the Carnegie Hall Hootenany tracks. What did they do, just set up a mic in the back of the concert hall?
     
  18. culabula

    culabula Unread author.

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    The songs on "side two" were separated (I think it was True Love Tends To Forget/I Think We Better Talk This Over ) whereas on the original CD and LP there had been a seque rather like Romance in Durango/Black Diamond Bay on Desire. Apart from Changing of the Guard, I don't think any other tracks were extended.
     
  19. culabula

    culabula Unread author.

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    Actually the seque was Señor/True Love Tends to Forget -apologies.
     
  20. Yes, his fingerpicking at either the Town Hall or the Carnegie Hall concert in 1963 (can't remember which one it was at the moment) is actually pretty convincing and shows that it's at least possible that he could have been playing on the Freewheelin' version. However, the Freewheelin' version was recorded in a single take. Considering Dylan's amazing talent, it's not impossible that he could have recorded both a perfect vocal and a perfect guitar part in one take, but I somehow doubt it. It's just too good to be the result of a single take, especially since Dylan wasn't a great guitarist.
    Langhorne claims (according to Heylin) that the guitar backing is his and we don't have any other evidence (studio logs etc.), so I believe him. So, what happened to Dylan's guitar part? There isn't, as others have pointed out, any audible guitar except the finger-picking on the studio version and Dylan's guitar would, even if his guitar wasn't used in the final mix, leak through the vocal mic. Did Dylan sing without playing guitar while Langhorne played? It's not impossible. There are early recording of Dylan singing without playing at the same time (like "Long John" on the so-called Minnesota Hotel Tape).
    Langhorne claimed he played, the Town Hall (or possibly Carnegie Hall) proves that Dylan could have played himself. We just don't know what happened. Let's leave it at that and just enjoy the terrific recording.
     
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  21. lschwart

    lschwart Senior Member

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    Yes. We may never know the answer definitively. And yes, a terrific recording. My favorite cut on the album (and one of my favorite of all Dylan songs)!

    L.
     
  22. feinstei9415

    feinstei9415 Forum Resident

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    Actually, if your CD player can play MP3's (as most modern ones can), you can fit the entire thing on 1 CD without any sacrifice in fidelity.
     
  23. slane

    slane Forum Resident

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    Maybe partly because I hear it as Langhorne these days, it doesn't sound like one person playing the guitar and harmonica together to me. The harmonica solos seem to have an ebb and flow about them that wouldn't be the same if Dylan was playing guitar at the same time (and would be difficult to keep the guitar picking steady). It sounds like Dylan playing harmonica to other accompaniment IMO. Their timings sound slightly out of sync.
     
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