Classical Corner Classical Music Corner (thread #52)

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by George P, Dec 7, 2013.

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  1. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

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    The Grammys has had zero influence on my classical music purchase decisions over the years ... :righton:
     
  2. Mr Bass

    Mr Bass Forum Resident

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    That might work in North Korea but it is absurd for the EU. Are they going to have Customs officials confiscating Norah Jones CDs at the border? Are they going to prevent French citizens from buying something on ebay or Amazon etc? Not that I don't agree with your concerns about the decline of classical music in Europe.
     
  3. Scott Wheeler

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    It's not about the Grammys or folks like you who are already into classical music. What I see is a missed opportunity for really good PR for classical music. I would think anyone who loves classical music would see it the same way. If there is no out reach then classical music will continue to lose it's fan base. Good PR may not be a substitute for music education but it is still a good thing for a struggling art form
     
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  4. John S

    John S Forum Resident

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    This "cultural" thing has been taken a little too far, in my opinion. Certain American wines (I know this because it is my business) are banned from EU import because of certain label terminology:
     
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  5. rbbert

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    Not only the Grimm does "pure" DSD at 5.6 MHz, so does the $1k Tascam DA-3000, and the discontinued but still readily available Korg MR2000. True, the last two are "prosumer"; I think the Grimm is the one most used by pros. If you are really curious, open a topic in the Audio Hardware forum and ask our host what he is using for the AF SACD's.

    The Sonoma DAW will work in DSD without involving PCM, although I'm told it has significantly less functionality this way.
     
  6. john greenwood

    john greenwood Forum Resident

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    Metallica has explored crossover before.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S&M_(Metallica_album)
     
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  7. Hawkman

    Hawkman Supercar Gort Staff

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    I would be curious what the members here thought of the Black Dog Opera Library??
    I've gotten a couple over the years and I see that they have reprinted a few. I've read the ones that I have ( the Mozarts and one or two others) but I haven't actually LISTENED to any of them. :) I seem to think that I must sit back and listen to opera with my eyes closed. I am in unfamiliar waters with opera and I wonder what you might think of these book/cd combinations as introductions for the novice like me?

    Are there any other book/cd combos like these for classical music/ opera??
     
  8. Mr Bass

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    That inspired me to pull out the Rozhdestvensky performance of Sibelius Sym 6 (and 7). Decent sonics and a rather unique interpretation that I like.

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  9. Mr Bass

    Mr Bass Forum Resident

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    Nice that you want to delve into opera. Sorry I don't know the Black Dog. Actually, I would recommend that you get some DVDs initially. It's odd to listen to an opera recording without any reference to the dramatic staging IMO. If you only want to listen to operas though, go to Amazon and just listen to the samples for an opera. It is not great but at least you get a feel of whether you might want to listen to the whole work.
     
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  10. john greenwood

    john greenwood Forum Resident

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    I remember them vaguely, but I never owned one. This time around, the first thing I noticed is that they claim to offer an unedited The Marriage of Figaro on two CDs. Can't be done - and the reviews on Amazon confirm this. I think you would be better off with some opera videos. They really was meant to be seen.
     
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  11. Hawkman

    Hawkman Supercar Gort Staff

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    Sounds like I will be in the market for some opera videos. Having said that...any recommendations for I Pagliacci or The Marriage of Figaro???
     
  12. Moonfish

    Moonfish Active Member

    I am enjoying Katia Ricciarelli's voice quite a bit! I was not at all familiar with her before pulling this cd from Sony's Verdi box. Great sound as well! Any recommendations on full opera recordings with Ricciarelli?

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  13. Mr Bass

    Mr Bass Forum Resident

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    There are many for both and everyone's tastes are different. Don't have Pagliacci. FWIW on Figaro I have two: 1. Levine at the Met conducting with Battle, Allen, von Stade; 2. Pappano at the Royal Opera House conducting with Persson, Schrott, Finley.
     
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  14. George P

    George P Alive In The Superunknown Thread Starter

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    Love that conductor, though I have yet to hear his Sibelius.
     
  15. Moonfish

    Moonfish Active Member

    I like the older (70s) Glyndebourne recording with Kanawa and von Stade with Pritchard conducting. Stade is an outstanding Cherubino!!!!! But this was my first Figaro on stage so I am a bit biased.

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  16. john greenwood

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    I have an old Glyndebourne recording of Figaro on DVD, but the sound is 1970's TV. I also have Hermann Prey and Karl Bohm on Laser Disc (which I need to replace). Finally on Laser Disc I have Peter Sellars' radical rethinking.

    Can't help you at all with Pagliacci.

    It looks like there are a number of Blu-Ray choices. But I don't know any of them.

    Give a thought to Ingmar Bergmann's film of The Magic Flute as well.

    Edit - same Figaro as Moonfish!
     
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  17. coopmv

    coopmv Newton 1/30/2001 - 8/31/2011

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    Have been listening to CD10 through CD12, Bruckner Symphonies Nos 1, 5 and 3 from the following set for the past few hours for a first listen ...

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  18. Moonfish

    Moonfish Active Member

    Yes, Bergman's theatrical version is very good indeed. I keep going back to it every year or two. I think it was filmed at the Royal Drottningholm's theatre (state of the art baroque theatre where Gustavus III used to enjoy music). I love how Bergman filmed the faces in the audience during the overture! Keep in mind that it is sung in Swedish, but I guess it is a nod towards Mozart writing the original in German. Great version!
     
  19. Robin L

    Robin L Musical Omnivore

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    Nearly. Some shots were at Drottningholm but most were on a soundstage dressed to look like that beautiful old theater. It was a made for TV Christmas special. Love the cinematography and the wonderfully surreal stage lighting, resulting in some of the director's best visual compositions. A great movie.
     
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  20. Moonfish

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    That would make sense. Too much wear and tear to do a film in the old theatre. Only the introduction is probably filmed there as the camera moves through the royal gardens and probably the initial overture as well. Still, they certainly makes it look like a baroque stage!!!! :goodie:
    I keep remembering how vivid and passionate the singers were - very enchanting!
    Bergman's seems at his best in his films though, but it is a wonderful sojourn into the world of music. I wish he had tackled some other operas as well!
     
  21. drh

    drh Talking Machine

    Not nearly as odd as the 78 I have of "Bess, You Is My Woman Now" and "I Got Plenty of Nothin'" sung by Einar Norby in--Danish. Or, come to that, the one of Mozart's Ave Verum Corpus sung in Iroquois....
     
  22. Moonfish

    Moonfish Active Member

    In Iroquois!!!??? You have a very diverse collection!!! I guess one expects the Magic Flute to be sung in German, so I am always taken aback when it is sung in a different language. There are a bunch of the Magic Flutes in English. Hmm, it seems that the Magic Flute is one of the more common operas to shift into different languages. Do you think that is an overstatement? Just curious...... :)
     
  23. George P

    George P Alive In The Superunknown Thread Starter

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    We are out of space, I am in the process of starting a new thread.
     
  24. drh

    drh Talking Machine

    Well, I just have a habit of picking up oddities when I see them--never know when they'll be fun, and often they are. The Iroquois Mozart is a private issue disk, I think the product of a church project of some sort or other.

    As to opera in translation, that was the rule, not the exception, up until pretty recently. German houses nearly always presented Verdi and Gounod in German; Italian ones did Wagner in Italian; French ones did everything in--well, you can probably guess. Naturally, the recording companies, which in those pre-Internet, pre-jet-travel days drew for their talent and their customer base on a much more local basis than we expect today, followed suit.
     
  25. George P

    George P Alive In The Superunknown Thread Starter

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    Please continue the discussion here. :wave:
     
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