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Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by George P, May 29, 2015.

  1. drh

    drh Talking Machine

    And certainly more frequently than I reach for Karajan! ;)

    I'd forgotten the earlier Mackerras Mozart recordings were on Telarc. Don't have any from that cycle of the syms. (my "complete" set is the old affair by Leinsdorf from Westminster, reissued as bargain-basement "double decker" releases by MCA fairly soon after CD established itself), but I do have and greatly enjoy Mackerras's Telarc account of the "Posthorn" Serenade.

    In general, what I see emerging is that Telarc was like just about any other label--it had its winners and losers. With the exception of Mackerras, the former appear to have been in the nature of "one-offs" more often than not. Maybe even Mackerras wasn't an exception; did he record anything for the label besides the Mozart cycle? Anyhow, even if the balance was tipped more to losers than winners, that doesn't take away from the good stuff.

    Thinking back on it, I'm fairly certain--and somebody please correct me if I'm misremembering--Telarc started off as a limited distribution label available only in venues like "high end" stereo stores. I wonder what percentage of the records we've been citing as "winners" come from that era as opposed to after the label became readily available in regular record shops?
     
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  2. JuniorMaineGuide

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    Mackerras recorded the Da Ponte operas and Magic Flute as well, which are some the only Telarcs in my collection. I like them, and I think Mackerras has a particularly special way with Mozart, but I admit I haven’t spent a ton of time with these.

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  3. Wes H

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    Yes, he did. In fact, he recorded one of your favorites! ;)

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    I quite agree.

    It seemed that way to me -- Telarc was not in every shop at the beginning. Certainly my smaller local shops didn't carry the first albums, such as that Holst/Handel record. The larger stores (like Tower) had them and every high-end audio salon had copies for demo purposes.

    Another thing about Telarc--at least in the early years-- they didn't seem to venture into any music beyond the standard classical fare or the well-known composers. It seemed they were trying to gain some market share against the big labels by trying to be the best in terms of audio quality and playing it safe with mainstream titles. Maybe if that had worked, they could have attracted more artists and become more adventurous in their music fare. Anyway, they showed what could be done in the new digital medium and, sometimes, they got the whole package right.
     
  4. Bachtoven

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  6. George P

    George P Love Will Lead Us Thread Starter

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    He's Bach!
     
  7. Bachtoven

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    No.4.

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  9. Wes H

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    The pipe-smoking pose (without pipe).
     
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  10. George P

    George P Love Will Lead Us Thread Starter

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  11. George P

    George P Love Will Lead Us Thread Starter

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    Now enjoying this JS Bach, CPE Bach and Scarlatti CD.
     
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  12. Wes H

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    That's a great album, George, and I'm glad to see you picked it up. The Bach works Some of the recordings, such as the Scarlatti sonatas, were never released on any album during Gould's lifetime -- so it's not in either of the Sony "Original Jacket Collection" boxes. BTW, Gould was considered recording all of the Scarlatti sonatas, but he stopped after these three and said something to the effect of, "a little Scarlatti goes a long way." I still love the three he did.

    The Bach "Italian Concerto" on that CD is also unique. It's not the 1960 release, but a new recording he made in August 1981 that he never approved for release prior to his death 14 months later. Much like the "Goldberg Variations," his tempos are just a touch slower as he reconsiders the work after a couple of decades. The finale of the '60 release (recorded in '59) was taken at a lightning fast pace--which is astonishing to hear--but I think the '81 version works better.
     
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  13. George P

    George P Love Will Lead Us Thread Starter

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    Thanks for all the info!

    Do you know if his 1960 recording of the Italian Concerto was released in the Glenn Gould Anniversary Edition series? I just checked my CDs and I don't see it. :( I thought I had all the Bach CDs from that series, but maybe I am mistaken.
     
  14. MikeF63

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    Hi - I got this set (on the SACD and Pure Audio Blu Ray edition) and had very high hopes for it. However, I have been put off by the amount of humming clearly audible from Sir Colin himself on the podium. Anyone else found this?
     
  15. George P

    George P Love Will Lead Us Thread Starter

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    To me, the humming is part of the performance. If I was there, front row, I'd hear it.

    It's the same with Glenn Gould's singing, or conductor's humming/grunting/stomping on the podium.

    We all want sound that makes us feel that we are there, but that means hearing extraneous stuff sometimes.
     
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  16. MikeF63

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    I suppose so - I'd like it well enough if I was there but that's a one off and repeat listening I tend to prefer things more "pristine" and "studio". I accept it's my fault for not expecting that with LSO Live, but the other LSO Live SACDs from Marriner, Gergiev, Haitink, even other Davis's, don't have it. But I respect your point of view, thank you.
     
  17. Bachtoven

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    I can hear it, but it is less obtrusive than Gergiev's grunts and other vocalizations! (Mostly on his live Mariinsky recordings.)
     
  18. Wes H

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    Not sure, George. I don't have all of the "Anniversary Edition" CDs. So many of Gould's recordings have been released and re-released in various editions and series on CD over the years, that I can't keep up.

    Speaking of trying to keep up, it dawned on me this morning that the Scarlatti pieces were released in the "Silver Jubilee" album, so they are in the "Original Jacket" big boxes. My bad. (That's what I get for checking posts at near 2 a.m. and trying to respond with a foggy memory. :yawn:)
    It is the J.S. Bach pieces that are "new" on this disc; a smattering of Fugues and Fantasies that Gould seems to have recorded as part of his attempt to complete all the works of Bach (which he never did).

    One thing that is confusing about this disc is the cover photo... It matches the one used for the 1960 LP release of the Italian Concerto, although this CD contains the 1981 recording. Anyway, I looked on Amazon and found a couple of CDs that have the original release. One is this standard CD found here:
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    And there is an SACD edition here: https://www.amazon.com/Bach-Italian...6260&sr=8-8&keywords=glenn+gould+bach+italian

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    And I'm sure there are others... or you can just buy the big Sony "Original Jacket Collection" box. ;)
     
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  19. George P

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    Now enjoying some of this three CD set, mastered by Ward Marston.
     
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  20. George P

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    Now enjoying another great mastering by Ward Marston.
     
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  21. drh

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    Earlier this week the local NPR affiliate broadcast Dohnanyi's first piano quintet, op. 1; I came into it in the middle and was much taken with it. (Andras Schiff was the pianist; I forget the quartet backing him.) Yesterday I took a little time and checked my catalogue to see whether I had a recording of the piece, and sure enough I did: Edward Kilenyi, who studied with Dohnanyi, performing with the Roth Qtt. on Columbia set 546, recorded in or about 1940. Nice performance and not a bad sounding recording, once I got the settings and stylus choice sorted out, although Columbia 78s of that era on average do not sound as good as the ones from a few years earlier. But here's the embarrassing thing: according to my catalogue, I bought that set all the way back in 1990, and I don't think I'd ever played it. :oops:

    The filler on side 8 was piano solo this time, still played by Kilenyi: the second mvt., presto, ma non tanto, from Dohnanyi's op. 32a Ruralia Hungarica. Looking it up, I find that Dohnanyi wrote four different sets of pieces under "op. 32" designations. Op. 32a is a suite of seven short piano pieces. Op. 32b is a set of five orchestrations drawn from op. 32a. Op. 32c arranges two of them for violin and piano with a new second mvt. known as the Gypsy rondo. Op. 32d is an arrangement for cello and piano or harp of that new mvt., the Gypsy rondo, from op. 32c. Never a dull moment in Musicologyland!
     
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  22. George P

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    Still more Bach today!
     
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  23. JuniorMaineGuide

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    Enjoying the Seven Last Words from the Quatuor Mosaiques Haydn box tonight:

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  24. Wes H

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    The original release of that album was labeled "Volume 1." Gould recorded it in 1962 on an instrument he really loved: A Casavant organ at All Saint's Church in Toronto, Canada. Four years later the organ was tragically destroyed in a church fire and Gould abandoned plans to record "Volume 2."
     
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  25. Wes H

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    On the turntable this morning, several Beethoven Variations played by Sviatoslav Richter with his characteristic intensity.

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    Such a serious cover... hiding a very '70s "mod" record label!

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