I will happily provide an alternative, there is no advice in your comment. What is your suggestion? Thank you.
Compare level-matched digital to the vinyl rip, it's pretty much the only way to hear if there is different mastering
If the figures are accurate on the DR Database, the 1987 European vinyl rip actually has a lower DR value than the 87 cds. VINYL LC 5717 Album details - Dynamic Range Database CDP 7 46677 2 Album details - Dynamic Range Database Can anyone make sense of that bearing in mind what karmaman said about the Japanese vinyl master? Perhaps it reflects the difficulties in measuring DR from vinyl rips.
I saw them in Chicago ( part of their live album in fact), and it was great to see Bowie so close, and I love the band, but they were sloppy as hell and in the end it just got stupid with the pointless improv that went nowhere. The drummers playing drives me crazy.
Whereas for me, Tin Machine was Bowie's greatest triumph since Ziggy Stardust. Glad I got to see them twice (The Academy, NYC)
Hi thanks for that, but the UK version of vinyl tracks are all edited down compared to my newly acquired japanese version from 1987.... uk jap dido 438 535 boyd 432 503 gs 456 530 plus, nyil, 87 and bb all a 20-30 seconds longer on the japanese vinyl version.
Exactly - we have to love the TM because it got us up close and personal to our Hero. Best memory ever is his entry to the soundcheck at the town and country club, london, 89. A decoy of black cars headed to the back of the venue, most ran after them. I was queuing for a return ticket so had to stay in line, but what did Bowie do? Walked up the bleedin' Kentish Town Road like any ovver bleedin cockney, didn't e? So we got to surround him and he was as charming as ever. He was shorter in real life without the high heels and I just kind of grabbed his shoulder and said something about how great he was, you know, just in case he wasn't aware. Was anyone else there that day? I was also one of the hoardes at the soundcheck at the kilburn national ballroom in Kilburn when he walked out with the band it got chaotic. Basically, we trapped the car there for ages as we pressed our cameras against the glass. He was cool again with it, but some specky no=one in the car was really cranky about the whole affair. Got to love the TM !
Just bought that cd on amazon and it is actually really good! Not prepared to lay down the cash for the box as i own most of it on numerous formats, so have instead enjoyed Montreal 1983 this weekend, with lashings of the highly underrated NLMD 'deluxe' (?!) Japanese version with Girls and Too Dizzy...
I have always seen that fan reaction to Tin Machine is very divisive, although I have no idea why. It was just another costume he put on, another face to hide behind, it was the same stories just dressed in a different style. "Same old thing in brand new drag" as Bowie would say himself. It was the latest change in style. 87 and Cry gave a hint to this direction, both with the guitar based music track and the social commentary lyric. I have known Bowie fans who have bought everything that Bowie has released, multiple times, yet have not one TM track in their collection, same I as I have known Bowie fans who totally skip the 80s. For me that would be like reading a book and skipping the middle chapters, watching A New Hope and Return of the Jedi without seeing Empire Strikes back in the middle. These albums tell the Bowie story from beginning to end, it is all important, and even a persons least favourite Bowie album probably has one or two songs you like.
Where the heck did that happen? I was in london then so the demand was high. You had to be a ticket ninja to get the see TM there....
That and Glastonbury are definitely two of the holy grail recent gigs, along with Astoria I guess... the atmosphere is wonderful on that short video performance.
No it didn't look like him as he is pictured on back of first TM album - this guy was part of the management, skinny, pointy face. Glaring at us young fans coz we dared to trap the car at the venue. He probably had his gourmet dinner ordered back at the hilton or ritz hotel or something.
Well said. For me, TM, was the course correction. It was Bowie getting the commercialism of the 80's out of his system. He picked up a guitar again and just played rock music. And don't forget Bowie did his Sound & Vision "hits" tour between Tin Machine albums so all fans had something to look forward to.
The first Tin Machine album is quite underrated. The second album just plain sucks. The live album is pretty interesting.
I think a lot of people are put off the second cos of the Hunt tracks. The Bowie penned songs are more “Bowie” than the first album.
The "Montreal '83" I originally downloaded was based on a 3-CD set from 1989, and THAT had been sourced from vinyl. Sounded good, all things considering, but just maaaybe there was a cassette in the family tree somewhere. It feels a bit like that. But stilll... really really good. It also seems to include performances from 2 different shows because of the setlist and sequencing, but how they baked that pie, there's no liner notes to indicate. The "Montreal '83" from the "Swingin' Pig" label definitely has a cleaner lineage (no vinyl crackles, at least, and sounds a wee bit nicer. It's 2 discs and purports to be 1 single show. A good, complete live '83 show (with "I Can't Explain", finally) was one of the few things missing in my life, so now, if and when they drop the digital box, it seems that I will have to decide if a 24/96 NLMD'18 is worth the price of the whole party, given that I've already bought the lossless by itself.
Just a suspicion on my part but I think fans might have felt betrayed that TM wasn’t “pure” Bowie in that he was deferring to other members at times (the way you do in any band)...
TM II is spotty, but the highs are really high... One Shot is one of Bowies greatest songs IMO You Belong In Rock N Roll is really good, though I prefer the single mix. If There Is Something is another great one, though again I prefer the BBC version Betty Wrong is really good too.
I've found it difficult going streaming some individual tracks off these remix EPs, even some on "Dance!", because, isolated, they just kinda lie there, even if they really come to life as part of the "Dance!" sequence, which (Heaven forgive me) really keeps the party goin'.
My thoughts, exactly. The highlights from II are the best of the whole long experiment, even if the lowlights really drag the whole thing down.
But he’s always worked like that just not as blatantly. He was always pretty good at letting the band breath and bring their ideas to the table. It was just now we were hearing about it.
Oh, I agree but suspect the fact that “now we hearing about it” made a psychological difference to some fans. I remember at the time that we were not to think of TM as a “David Bowie” album and, therefore, I think some chose to not even care/give it the same chance/attention/consideration they would a new “Bowie” album.
