Did punk begin with "I'm Henry The 8th I Am"?

The minimal production, the basic drums, the snotty sloppy carefree vocal delivery, the directly Ramones-inspiring, 4th wall breaking cry of "Second Verse, same as the first".. to what extent could this track be considered an overlooked antecendent of the punk rock movement?

 

Dave Clark Five was the first punk band IMHO. Glad All Over, Bits And Pieces, Any Way You Want It........

 

Uhhhhhhhhhhh...no

 

I'm a fan of punk music and didn't even know it.

 

No, it began with "Go-Boy Jump the Punk" by Huey Brown and The Supreme Watermelon Jugband, an obscure Paramount side from 1928.

 

Farther back - to the 1950's.



Another Joe Clay number from 1956: (check out the guitar break at the 2nd minute!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGLPiZd7qH8

 

Not a chance, but it reminds me a bit of this. The inanity aspect of it.

 

The mop tops invented punk

 

There is no doubt - in 1977 rock had never observed anything like punk before. Or at least....not in the last 15 years.

 

More Oi than Punk, I'd say.

 

They managed to invent grunge and heavy metal with the same song - Helter Skelter
(Or that's what I've read )

 

True or not, I like that thought.
And Dave Clark's drumming has a nice edge to it, no smooth studio professional player there.

 

I partially agree with you, it has some punkish elements in the way the music is delivered but on the other hand it definitely lacks the punk attitude and philosophy of other protopunk and punk bands.

 

"There's A Hole In My Bucket, Dear Liza" Now THAT'S Punk

 

Nah, although it's a great track. In terms of widespread exposure, it was the Beach Boys with their version of "Papa-Oom-Mow-Mow". Or, even better, go back to the Trashmen's "Surfin Bird" (done note for note by the Ramones on Rocket to Russia). What a great world it was pre-Beatles, when "Surfin Bird" could be a top 10 hit! But, anayway, we're only talking about one aspect of punk. None of these songs sounds much like "London Calling".

 

This is the first time I've heard Harry Champion called a proto-punk.

 

Well, Mike Love was a little punk...

 

The Herman Hermits ditty was just too cute and infantile and nothing to do with rock. It was just British music hall variety show material.
Punk was about high energy, aggression, rock and roll!

 

Cockney accent does not equal punk.

 

Ladies and Gentlemen, I introduce to you - The Godfather of Punk




Every time the genesis of Punk question comes up , I think of Ian Whitcomb's appearance on The Tomorrow Show. Host Tom Snyder asked Ian his thoughts about the Punk movement happening at the time. Ian mentioned something about having Punks tell him You Turn Me On was an inspirational song from their youth. Tom Snyder immediately proclaims half jokingly, "There you have it folks, Ian Whitcomb is the Godfather of Punk!"

 

Then Jerry Lee Lewis was the great-grandfather of punk.

And he wasn't.

 

I agree, that is the confusion here. I'm Henry The 8th sounds more like a East London based musical song.

 

I'd say: in roughly the same way as Ticket To Ride invented heavy metal.