Discogs ; my experience.

Discussion in 'Marketplace Discussions' started by Strat-Mangler, Jun 6, 2017.

  1. richbdd01

    richbdd01 Forum Resident

    Location:
    London
    I think Near Mint is generally regarded as ‘Ex’. Some sellers do put more info in the description, as I would do.
     
  2. GentleSenator

    GentleSenator Forum Resident

    Location:
    Portland, OR
    "EX" isn't a serious grade.
     
  3. bug2362

    bug2362 Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Seattle, WA
    I have bought mostly cd’s through Discogs - have had a mostly very positive experience- I almost always ask a question about the matrix or catalog #
    Just to verify, because unlike EBay, there are no photos. Recently I bought the
    Neil Young Uk debut Lp from a European seller and was Very satisfied!
     
  4. Sprague Dawley

    Sprague Dawley Member

    Location:
    Sapporo, Japan
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  5. eddiel

    eddiel Forum Resident

    Location:
    Toronto, Canada
    It is the grader is using the Record Collector UK Magazine grading guide. It's basically the equivalent of a VG+ from the Goldmine grading guide.

    However, a lot of sellers who use it are not using the Record Collector grading guide.
     
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  6. GentleSenator

    GentleSenator Forum Resident

    Location:
    Portland, OR
    In my experience most people use EX because they know they'd never get away with NM, and VG+ has a certain stigma to it.
     
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  7. eddiel

    eddiel Forum Resident

    Location:
    Toronto, Canada
    Yeah definitely. A true VG+ grade is a really good grade but most of the time I see VG+ it's way over graded when I compare it to the Goldmine grading guidelines. There are many times that I wish I could just go with a NM grade and hope for the best when I list records on eBay but I can't. I don't list that often so play grading them is possible for me and I try and do that to compensate for any stigma attached to the VG+ grade. I also like to add descriptions in addition to the letter grade.
     
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  8. Giacomo Belbo

    Giacomo Belbo Active Member

    Things I've learned:
    1) Always confirm matrix number & condition before shipping.
    2) There is a fair chance of over-grading that we have to live with (usually some compromise is better than shipping back).

    Vinyl is a lovely flawed medium unfortunately.
     
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  9. hvbias

    hvbias Forum Resident

    Location:
    Northeast
    Agreed on the true definition of VG+

    What I've found a bit odd is this forum's discrepancy with CD vs vinyl grading, where EX is part of the CD grading. EX does sound more palatable from a psychological standpoint. EX from the forum guidelines make it sound more like Goldmine VG++ adding to the confusion.
     
    Last edited: Nov 4, 2017
  10. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialist™

    Location:
    Greater Vancouver
    This is exactly why there are strict guidelines regarding SH Forums grading. Goldmine is too confusing and really isn't a good CD grading platform. On Discogs and eBay, many times more often than not, I have been pleasantly surprised by receiving a SH Forums VG+-EX standard rather than a VG - VG+ result of a listed VG+ CD. Vinyl? Too scary.
     
  11. mpayan

    mpayan Forum Resident

    100% seller rating or I dont even think about it.
     
  12. GentleSenator

    GentleSenator Forum Resident

    Location:
    Portland, OR
    be careful with that. i've been burned by plenty of 100% sellers. it's all about context man.
     
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  13. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialist™

    Location:
    Greater Vancouver
    I guess I'm more of a gambler than you. Instead, I read the Negative feedback simply because a lot of the time it's just impatient buyers expecting delivery sooner than their carrier provides. A lot of good sellers, speaking only from personal purchasing experience, get railroaded from a perfect record by this type of Negative feedback.
     
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  14. E.Baba

    E.Baba Forum Resident

    Getting a lot of over grades and no picture of actual item.
     
  15. murphywmm

    murphywmm Forum Resident

    It's a shame because there's some really good sellers on there; it's just that you can't know until you order from them. There is a Japanese seller I've ordered from a few times and he actually UNDER grades his records! So his VG+ is actually more like NM-. The only issue is that his stuff is really expensive. But if he has something I really want, it's worth it because I know I will get a great end product.
     
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  16. Cliff

    Cliff Magic Carpet Man

    Location:
    Northern CA
    I've mostly had good luck on CDs. But or records? No way. Wrong cataloging, terrible grading and just recently waited two weeks and finally emailed the seller. 'Oh? I'm sorry, I never saw that you paid. I just looked and see it now, so I'll send it right away.' This happened twice last month alone. Never happened on eBay or Amazon though.
    And the one that really irked me.... Just got a 'NM' copy of PF's Meddle on Wednesday. Orig US issue. It skipped 3 times, had a ton of surface noise and lots of scratches. I emailed the seller to tell him I'm going to send it back (wasn't cheap) and he responded with "OK whatever you wish to do. Looked pretty good for me, but sounds like a sealed copy is what you need."
    Then I sent him back a 'LOOKED pretty good'? No wonder... I've bought hundreds of records off of Discogs over the years but it's going down-hill fast.
     
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  17. Cliff

    Cliff Magic Carpet Man

    Location:
    Northern CA
    And the problem with the Discogs ratings system is I never leave negative in fear of retaliation (I have perfect feedback).
     
  18. Remote Control Triangle

    Remote Control Triangle Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Las Vegas
    I've only had very positive transactions on discogs except 1 or 2 where the seller overestimated the grading. Love that site. I have no idea what I'd do without that marketplace.
     
  19. InStepWithTheStars

    InStepWithTheStars Forum Resident

    I'm not positive, but I think you can contact Discogs and have them remove retaliatory feedback. And if not, you can leave a comment there for future prospective buyers/sellers, write "retaliatory feedback, view seller's ratings" or something like that.
     
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  20. Combination

    Combination Forum Resident

    Location:
    New Orleans
    I don't know how many times this has to be said, but you have to contact the seller to have photos e-mailed to you. They can't display them on the Discogs site.
     
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  21. E.Baba

    E.Baba Forum Resident

    I'm aware of this.
    It's my comment on the Discogs site as it stands.
    It won't stop the over grading, not to mention the brand new sealed records that are scuffed and scratched.
     
    Last edited: Dec 7, 2017
  22. Adam9

    Adam9 Formerly jbohdan

    Location:
    Toronto, Canada
    I have only bought one record so far on Discogs. The seller over-rated its condition (it was VG, not VG+) and so I sent him a message, asking for a refund. I received a full refund, including my shipping cost, along with an apology and an explanation about how it wasn't always easy to accurately grade old singles (about 35 years old). I wasn't asked to return the record.
     
  23. Sprague Dawley

    Sprague Dawley Member

    Location:
    Sapporo, Japan
    this is a killer for me: Japan's tax man is going to siphon off 8% on sales for the national consumtion tax

    Hi sappororecords,
    Today, we have implemented new functionality to ensure compliance with Japanese tax laws.
    Japan has a national consumption tax assessed on all transactions between Japanese merchants and Japanese consumers. For any transaction that occurs between these two parties, it is the responsibility of the merchant to collect an 8% consumption tax and send it to the National Tax Agency.
    Discogs is now considered a Japanese merchant and is required by law to collect this tax on your seller fees paid to Discogs.
    What This Means For You
    You do not have to do anything at this time to comply with the law. The functionality is now live.
    This means that 8% of your seller fees will be added as a separate line item to your next invoice showing seller fees due and consumption tax due. These are added together to represent a total balance due.
    For more information on this tax please visit the Japan National Tax Agency
    Discogs cannot directly assist with information about this tax but if you have questions about your invoice, please contact help@discogs.com.
    Happy Collecting,
    Discogs
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    Is this the key line here?:

    "Japan has a national consumption tax assessed on all transactions between Japanese merchants and Japanese consumers."

    So only collected if I sell to buyers located inside Japan?
     
  24. eddiel

    eddiel Forum Resident

    Location:
    Toronto, Canada
    I think what Discogs is saying here is that they will add 8% tax to the fee invoice they send you. They aren't going to add 8% to the invoices you send to your buyers. That would be up to you to deal with since in those cases you are the merchant and not Discogs.

    The 8% tax will be assessed on all fees you incur regardless of where the buyer is located.
     
  25. Sprague Dawley

    Sprague Dawley Member

    Location:
    Sapporo, Japan
    but... but... "between Japanese merchants and Japanese consumers." ?
     

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