Fleetwood Mac Rumours First Pressing ?

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by rockitman, May 19, 2011.

  1. rockitman

    rockitman Active Member Thread Starter

    I received a sealed copy that is supposedly 1st press.

    The outer sleeve cover is textured.

    Matrix #'s

    Side A - BSK-1-3010-A-1C
    Side B - BSK-2-3010-1A

    SXT is also scrated in the side A deadwax and

    and letter B and T not next to each other on side B.

    Is this a first pressing ? TIA
     
  2. MikeyH

    MikeyH Stamper King

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    Berkeley, CA
    Sounds like a contract pressing, not made by capitol (not their style of matrix).

    If there's not a tiny kp in the wax, it's not a Capitol mastering. Ken Perry must have been really fed up with mastering this, but he really did tens of lacquers.

    There were quite a few matrices made for the 'first press' as far as I can tell. Some sound different. Search here and you'll find some preferences.
     
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  3. rockitman

    rockitman Active Member Thread Starter

    Thanks Mike. Would the mastering tape used be the same as 1st pressing ?
     
  4. Raunchnroll

    Raunchnroll Forum Resident

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    Doubtful. Given how many they lacquers cut at different places there were probably a number of tape copies made - pre-EQ'd and ready to go. Maybe our forum host would know more specifics.
     
  5. MikeyH

    MikeyH Stamper King

    Location:
    Berkeley, CA
    I've had a few Rumours copies, and they mostly seem to come from the same group of mixdowns. Variations, even in kp copies, include howling or not, cold starts or not, variations in fades, eq, compression, and reverb.
     
  6. W.B.

    W.B. Senior Member

    Location:
    New York, NY, USA
    Can you ascertain what the circular indent diameter in the label area was? 2.703125" as on Columbia pressings? 1.5625" as on pressings from Capitol's Los Angeles plant? 1.5" as from their Jacksonville, IL plant? Or a quasi-deep groove of 1.375" as from Winchester, VA?

    I do know that the "SX" was on deadwax of many albums pressed in Santa Maria, CA; while the "T" would have signified Columbia's Terre Haute, IN factory.
     
  7. rockitman

    rockitman Active Member Thread Starter

    Thanks. The diameter of the circular indent is: 2.703125 or very close to that. My measuring stick isn't that accurate. So this is an early copy but probably not 1st pressing, correct ? Also, the vinyl weight is a bit heavier than standard...not 180 gram, but definately thicker than the majority of the LP's of the day...
     
  8. W.B.

    W.B. Senior Member

    Location:
    New York, NY, USA
    All Columbia pressings of Rumours with the "palm trees" label are early pressings, whether first pressing or not (and for the record - no pun intended - my copy's a Columbia pressing). Also . . . I think Santa Maria may've been slightly heavier than Pitman and Terre Haute pressings.

    If I had to choose my typesetting variations of this LP, the Columbia-pressed copies are the ones for me . . .
     

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  9. rockitman

    rockitman Active Member Thread Starter

    Thanks WB...that's the label I have.
     
  10. mark7

    mark7 Guest

    How does the original UK version (K56344) compare to the original US? Do both come with 11.5" x 23" photo and lyric foldout insert? Thanks.
     
  11. reeler

    reeler Forum Resident

    Records, especially this one are all over the map sonic wise. You can buy 2 copies of the same record with the same dead wax and they will not sound the same, do an experiemnt and find 2 copies of a commonly available record with the same dead wax etchings. I used "best of Carly Simon", one had a brighter grainier texture to the sound, the other a little smoother, both had EXACT same dead wax info. On top of that, there are lots and lots of wax etchings for "Rumors". You can try and bring some logic or assurance to it, but in my experience there is'nt any fool proof way. With records there is too much variance in the product, just try and find one that sounds good to you and plays reasonably quiet. I even have an "RL" cut of Rumors and it is not my preferred copy.
     
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  12. James Glennon

    James Glennon Forum Resident

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    I have a UK pressing with Mastered by Capitol in the deadwax along with KP (Ken Perry). Quieter than US pressing I have.

    JG
     
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  13. chewy

    chewy Forum Resident

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    i have a 1st press i think, it took me forever to find, but its a rumours promo copy- sounds amazing
     
  14. Blackie

    Blackie Forum Resident

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    Can you post the matrix info? I picked up a promo copy (pink sticker on jacket, standard palm tree label) this past year and it seems there are even different cuts among them. I'll post the matrix on my copy tonight.
     
  15. Blackie

    Blackie Forum Resident

    Location:
    Los Angeles
    My promo copy (MASTERED BY CAPITOL KP on both sides):
    BSK-1-3010 TH3 F15
    BSK-2-3010 F17

    [​IMG]
     
  16. Six String

    Six String Senior Member

    Are you kidding?:wtf:
     
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  17. hazard

    hazard Forum Resident

    I got an old copy of Rumours yesterday, US pressing, BSK 3010 in a textured sleeve with the insert. Given its on Warner Bros i was surprised that its got MASTERED BY CAPITOL in the dead wax. How come Capitol mastered this? I assume WB contracted out the pressing due to the high demand? Its on nice thick vinyl, pretty noisy but sounds good and hopefully will come up OK with a good wash.

    Deadwax also says F25 on one side, F22 on the other - does this mean the 25th (and 22nd) stamper? Again, if its due to the volume pressed, I shouldn't be surprised.
     
  18. John Carsell

    John Carsell Forum Resident

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    Northwest Illinois
    I remember reading quite a long time ago someone here said that the F22 copies had a very good sound.
     
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  19. MikeyH

    MikeyH Stamper King

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    6, meet w.b. One day you'll want to know what sort of lathe cut a record, and what company actually did the pressing. Check out the archives.
     
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  20. MikeyH

    MikeyH Stamper King

    Location:
    Berkeley, CA
    It was cut at capitol because FM wanted Ken Perry to do it, and that's where he worked. F identifies one of the lathes at Capitol, and the numbers are lacquer numbers not stamper numbers (common confusion).

    There are a few 'original' sets of lacquers numbered 1 to 25 or so - I have seen that range, there may be more - on the palm tree label. The discs vary a little in quality (a bit more or less on the compressor here and there, and on the fly gain changes to make some parts 'punch' a bit more) but there aren't any really bad ones. Pressed all over the country at various places, some are marked.

    Sets were also sent out internationally.. I have a few UK pressings from this set.

    Not rare, well worth buying a few and listening to sort out the best one.
     
  21. Blackie

    Blackie Forum Resident

    Location:
    Los Angeles
    I found a Santa Maria copy today with the earliest stampers I've seen:
    BSK-1-3010 SM1 F1
    BSK-2-3010 P1 F2
    Curious to see how this one stacks up!
     
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  22. kwadguy

    kwadguy Forum Resident

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    Cambridge, MA
    Warners serviced and reserviced promos of this title for a long time. All the promos have the pink promo sticker. Yours could be an early or late promo.

    Unfortunately, by the time this album was released Warners was no longer using custom promo labels for the first promo issue.
     
  23. marcfeld69

    marcfeld69 Forum Resident

    I know this is an old (fascinating) thread, but I am curious. I picked up what I guess must be a Japan early Rumours. Now, the thing is, it has a lot of the details I have read above or on other threads such as MASTERED AT CAPITOL in the deadwax along with the '3' and M-A 56, then BSK-1-3010 (handwritten), then F22 on both sides, but the cat no. in the wax is P-10233W1, with P-10233W1 on the palm tree label. It clearly states 'Made by Warner-Pioneer Corporation, Japan' on the label. There is also what looks like' 7-Z' in the wax only on Side 1. Both sides have what looks like an eccentrically-written 'KP'. My question is: if this is a Japan LP, would it have all these markings? Haven't had time to play it yet, but it looks suspiciously in good condition!

    Can't tell much from the cover, except that it does have a Japanese insert; I can only make out the remnants of a number on the spine ending in '233 N' but whether that relates to the record is anyone's guess. I don't know if this can be described as a textured cover but it's hard card with what I can only describe as half-matt/half-gloss. I don't know what the technical term is ...
     
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  24. tim185

    tim185 Forum Resident

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    Australia
    I have the same pressing Marc, mint condition. Yours has the Obi strip yeah?
    Someone has mentioned in another thread something about KP doing a cut for the Japanese pressing.
    Unfortunately I haven't had the chance to play it yet, no cartridge for the moment. Anyway the key here I believe is the F22 on both sides. Said to be one of the better pressings. Please report back here when you have listened to it and tell us how it sounds !
     
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  25. marcfeld69

    marcfeld69 Forum Resident

    Thanks! And for the quick response. I don't have the obi, which maybe explains why it was ridiculously cheap (¥300!), but I have yet to play mine, too. But soon.
     

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