Frank Zappa: the 75th anniversary album by album thread

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  1. mdekoning

    mdekoning Senior Member Thread Starter

    I had to listen to this twice before I could come up with a little review:

    An improvement over the first 2 albums, mostly because the songs are much better. "Who Needs The Peace Corps", "What's The Ugliest Part Of Your Body", "The Idiot Bastard Son" and "Let's Make The Water Turn Black" have been part of the setlist for years. They're not just great song titles, but also great pieces of music. There's a lot more: doo-wop parody like "Concentration Moon", classical intermezzo's (the intros of "Harry You're A Beat" and "Absolutely Free"), Zappa even interrupts several songs for complete nonsense. It all works. Because the experiments are all so short I do not find them as annoying as on the 2nd disc of the debut. This still stands up as one of Zappa's better studio albums.
     
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  2. Rfreeman

    Rfreeman Senior Member

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    A couple tunes on this album work better for me in their instrumental versions, some of which became FZ standards: HYAB, LMTWTB, TYCOWYD
     
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  3. pbuzby

    pbuzby Senior Member

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    Me too. Perhaps for that reason, I like the remix more than most other fans seem to.

    As I may have posted in the past, I'm grateful for that CD since I probably wouldn't have bought Lumpy Gravy if it hadn't been combined with WOIIFTM, and I ended up liking it even more (but I guess we'll discuss that album later).
     
  4. drumzNspace

    drumzNspace Forum Resident

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    I feel that FO, AF and WOIIFTM are like a trilogy. Doesn't Lumpy Gravy come before WOIIFTM?
     
  5. danner

    danner Forum Resident

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    Ha! I had a similar experience. "Whoa, slap bass in 1968?!"

    I remember finding a text file on a BBS way back when that meticulously detailed all the differences between the remix and the original. It was until years later that I got to hear the original.
     
  6. scompton

    scompton Forum Resident

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    I didn't get into Zappa until the late 70s and the early albums were OOP and expensive. The first time I head WOIIFTM and FO was on Italian bootlegs in the 80s that were copied from very beat up originals. My college library had a pristine copy of AF and I was able to make a tape copy. AF is still my favorite of the three.
     
  7. pbuzby

    pbuzby Senior Member

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    Most of it was recorded before WOIIFTM but it wasn't released until later.
     
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  8. mdekoning

    mdekoning Senior Member Thread Starter

    LUMPY GRAVY

    Released: August 7 1967
    Label: Capitol
    Producer: Nick Venet

    Musicians:
    Abnuceals Emuukha Electric Symphony Orchestra (Check wikipedia for full credits)
    Frank Zappa: Composer, Conductor

    All songs by Frank Zappa

    Original 1967 Capitol 4-Track Cartridge:
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    Side 1
    1.Sink Trap (2:45)
    2.Gum Joy (3:44)
    3.Up and Down (1:52)
    4.Local Butcher (2:36)

    Side 2
    5.Gypsy Airs (1:41)
    6.Hunchy Punchy (2:06)
    7.Foamy Soaky (2:34)
    8.Let's Eat Out (1:49)
    9.Teenage Grand Finale (3:30)

    1968 Verve Records LP:
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    Side 1
    1.The Way I See It, Barry (0:06)
    2.Duodenum (1:32)
    3.Oh No (2:03)
    4.Bit of Nostalgia (1:35)
    5.It's from Kansas (0:30)
    6.Bored Out 90 Over (0:31)
    7.Almost Chinese (0:25)
    8.Switching Girls (0:29)
    9.Oh No Again (1:13)
    10.At the Gas Station (2:41)
    11.Another Pickup (0:54)
    12.I Don't Know If I Can Go Through This Again (3:49)

    Side 2
    13.Very Distraughtening (1:33)
    14.White Ugliness (2:22)
    15.Amen (1:33)
    16.Just One More Time (0:58)
    17.A Vicious Circle (1:12)
    18.King Kong (0:43)
    19.Drums Are Too Noisy (0:58)
    20.Kangaroos (0:57)
    21.Envelops the Bath Tub (3:42)
    22.Take Your Clothes Off (1:53)
     
  9. mdekoning

    mdekoning Senior Member Thread Starter

    Zappa's first solo effort fuses instrumental compositions with a lot of nonsense. Where the nonsense worked when combined with songs like on We're Only In It For The Money, here it really disrupts the music flow and the giggling sections on side 2 are just very annoying. Therefore this is the first Zappa release that I'm not so sure about and in my opinion his weakest album up to here. There are the occasional moments of instrumental magic with "Oh No", "I Don't Know If I Can Go Through This Again"and "King Kong", but it's always over before you know it.
     
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  10. pbuzby

    pbuzby Senior Member

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    I love the dialogue. I've gathered that not everyone likes it though.
     
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  11. Rfreeman

    Rfreeman Senior Member

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    I listen to my custom "Lump Free Gravy" edit with the voices eliminated, combining the best instrumental parts of the mono and stereo versions, way more than I listen to the standard version.

    A lot of great music here, but this is the first of many FZ releases that becomes a lot more listenable with significant editing. The dialog is fine, it just gets old with repeat listening while the music remains intriguing.

    Must have been a real different experience listening to it before listeners associated words with melodies like Oh No.
     
  12. mdekoning

    mdekoning Senior Member Thread Starter

    Some info from discogs.com about the different versions of the album:

    Initially recorded by Zappa for Capitol in 1967, as a solo composer & conductor outside of 'The Mothers'. The project made it to disc as MGM vetoed the work, resulting in FZ reworking the release for Verve - the label to whom, it was claimed, he was contracted. Some rare Capitol issues exist. The reworking was released on Verve in 1968. FZ remastered the work in 1985 & 1993.

    Zappa comments on the sleeve notes: "Is this Phase 2 of We're Only In It For The Money?" - which echoes his vision on that work, where he comments; "Is this Phase I of 'Lumpy Gravy'?". This "Lumpy Gravy" work contains conversations 'within a piano'.

    Themes (& material) in this work can then be picked up in the work Zappa completed before his death: Civilization Phaze III


    Original 1967 4-track album:
    http://www.discogs.com/Frank-Zappa-Lumpy-Gravy/release/5797422

    1968 LP:
    http://www.discogs.com/Francis-Vinc...hestra-Chorus-The-Lumpy-Gravy/release/1360805

    1995 CD:
    http://www.discogs.com/Frank-Vincent-Zappa-Lumpy-Gravy/release/798971

    2012 CD (currently in print):
    http://www.discogs.com/Frank-Zappa-Lumpy-Gravy/release/4282846
     
  13. mdekoning

    mdekoning Senior Member Thread Starter

    CRUISING WITH RUBEN & THE JETS

    Released: December 2 1968
    Label: Verve
    Producer: Frank Zappa

    Musicians:
    Frank Zappa: Lead Guitar, Drums, Piano Bass
    Ray Collins: Lead Vocals
    Roy Estrada: Electric Bass
    Jimmy Carl Black: Drums
    Arthur Dyer Tripp III
    Ian Underwood: Piano, Tenor & Alto Sax
    Don Preston: Piano
    Jim Sherwoood: Baritone Sax, Tambourine
    Bunk Gardner: Tenor & Alto Sax

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    All songs by Frank Zappa, except where noted

    Side 1
    1.Cheap Thrills (2:23)
    2.Love of My Life (Frank Zappa, Ray Collins) (3:10)
    3.How Could I Be Such a Fool (3:35)
    4.Deseri (Ray Collins, Paul Buff) (2:07)
    5.I'm Not Satisfied (4:03)
    6.Jelly Roll Gum Drop (2:20)
    7.Anything (Ray Collins) (3:04)

    Side 2
    8.Later That Night (3:06)
    9.You Didn't Try to Call Me (3:57)
    10.Fountain of Love (Frank Zappa, Ray Collins) (3:01)
    11.No. No. No. (2:29)
    12.Anyway the Wind Blows (2:58)
    13.Stuff Up the Cracks (4:35)
     
  14. mdekoning

    mdekoning Senior Member Thread Starter

    Some info from discogs.com:

    The vinyl and CD versions are extremely different. In 1984, Zappa enlisted Arthur Barrow and Chad Wackerman to re-record the original bass and drum parts (although they were not credited) for the "Old Masters Box One" re-issue of the album. In addition to the new drums and bass, Zappa added several vocal overdubs and heavily remixed the album.
    The remix of "Cruising with Ruben & the Jets" was the only version of the album available from 1984 until 2010, when "Greasy Love Songs" was released.

    Original 1968 LP:
    http://www.discogs.com/Mothers-Of-Invention-The-Cruising-With-Ruben-The-Jets/release/1615152

    First CD issue, 1984 remix:
    http://www.discogs.com/Frank-Zappa-...-Cruising-With-Ruben-The-Jets/release/7367373

    Currently in print version:
    http://www.discogs.com/Frank-Zappa-...-Cruising-With-Ruben-The-Jets/release/3839957
     
  15. scompton

    scompton Forum Resident

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    I never owned Ruben and the Jets until a year or two after Greasy Love Songs came out. It's much better than I thought it would be.
     
  16. Rfreeman

    Rfreeman Senior Member

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    I think R&tJs is awesome, both the remix (which I heard first) and the original mix. The songs that are on both this and Freak Out are done better here to my taste. It works totally straight too, not just as parody. Stuff up the Cracks is my fav.
     
  17. pbuzby

    pbuzby Senior Member

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    Although Barrow was the only bassist on the We're Only In It For The Money remix, Zappa used a few bassists for the Ruben mix, including Barrow, Jay Anderson (on acoustic bass) and possibly Patrick O'Hearn on fretless bass on "How Could I Be Such A Fool."
     
  18. alexpop

    alexpop Power pop + other bad habits....

    Great Zappa Bubblegum album.
     
  19. mdekoning

    mdekoning Senior Member Thread Starter

    Not as varied or weird as most of Zappa's releases, but the doowop style fits this band nicely. With some very good material this is actually strong musically, not just a funny parody. I agree that the remakes of songs previously released on Freak Out come out better here. My favourite moments are "Love Of My Life", "Fountain Of Love" and "Anyway The Wind Blows".
     
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  20. vince

    vince Stan Ricker's son-in-law

    Hey, WAIT!!!!!!
    I wanna DEFEND "Lumpy Gravy" WITH all the 'studio-talk/bander/BS/'piano people'!!!!!
    I, for one, find this makes the 'orchestral' pieces more digestible to 'weirdoes' like ME!
    I think Frank knew this.... and, he often said that he was never one to want 'respectability' in, what he called, the pompous world of 'classical' music!
    What better way to do this then by adding all this 'weirdo' talk as non-sequiturs..... AND, the 'sped-up' pieces, and, the sounds created by (what sounds to me) like a tornado of 'electronic noise', thoughout!
    THEN, the 'celeste-with-snorks'! (fingers to mouth, and a kiss, 'Mwha!')
    All these were NOT in the original Capitol version..... and, I not only need 'em, but.... LOVE 'EM!!
    They're importance in the 'conceptual continuity' of Frank's future works is.... well, it's IMPORTANT!
    I just wanted to give you my side of it..... and, I LOVE IT!
    So..... there's that!
     
  21. mdekoning

    mdekoning Senior Member Thread Starter

    UNCLE MEAT

    Released: April 21 1969
    Label: Bizarre/Reprise
    Producer: Frank Zappa

    Musicians:
    Frank Zappa: Guitar, Low Grade Vocals, Percussion
    Ray Collins: Swell Vocals
    Jimmy Carl Black: Drums
    Roy Estrada: Electric Bass
    Don Preston: Electric Piano
    Billy Mundi: Drums on some pieces before he quit to join RHINOCEROS
    Bunk Gardner: Piccolo, Flute, Clarinet, Bass Clarinet, Soprano Sax, Alto Sax, Tenor Sax, Bassoon
    Ian Underwood: Electric Organ, Piano, Harpsichord, Celeste, Flute, Clarinet, Alto Sax, Baritone Sax
    Artie Tripp: Drums, Timpani, Vibes, Marimba, Xylophone, Wood Blocks, Bells, Small Chimes
    Euclid James Sherwood: Tenor Sax Stylings, Tambourine
    Ruth Komanoff: Marimba, Vibes
    Nelcy Walker: Soprano Voice

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    All songs by Frank Zappa, except where noted

    Side 1
    1.Uncle Meat: Main Title Theme (1:54)
    2.The Voice of Cheese (0:27)
    3.Nine Types of Industrial Pollution (Listed as "400 Days of the Year" on the label of the original vinyl release) (5:56)
    4.Zolar Czakl (0:57)
    5.Dog Breath, in the Year of the Plague (5:51)
    6.The Legend of the Golden Arches (1:24)
    7.Louie Louie (At the Royal Albert Hall in London) (Richard Berry) (2:28)
    8.The Dog Breath Variations (1:36)

    Side 2
    9.Sleeping in a Jar (0:49)
    10.Our Bizarre Relationship (1:05)
    11.The Uncle Meat Variations (4:40)
    12.Electric Aunt Jemima (1:53)
    13.Prelude to King Kong (3:24)
    14.God Bless America (Live at the Whisky a Go Go) (Irving Berlin) (1:22)
    15.A Pound for a Brown on the Bus (1:29)
    16.Ian Underwood Whips It Out (Live on stage in Copenhagen) (5:08)

    Side 3
    17.Mr. Green Genes (3:10)
    18.We Can Shoot You (1:48)
    19.'If We'd All Been Living in California...' (1:29)
    20.The Air (2:57)
    21.Project X (4:47)
    22.Cruising for Burgers (2:19)

    Side 4
    23.King Kong Itself (as played by the Mothers in a studio) (0:53)
    24.King Kong (it's magnificence as interpreted by Dom DeWild) (1:15)
    25.King Kong (as Motorhead explains it) (1:44)
    26.King Kong (the Gardner Varieties) (6:17)
    27.King Kong (as played by 3 deranged Good Humor Trucks) (0:29)
    28.King Kong (live on a flat bed diesel in the middle of a race track at a Miami Pop Festival...the Underwood ramifications) (7:22)
     
  22. mdekoning

    mdekoning Senior Member Thread Starter

    From discogs.com:

    Early issues in US (& some countries) have a band name & book sticker on cover. Early US issues were auto-coupled. Early sleeves/labels show the original title of "Nine Types Of Industrial Pollution" as "400 Days Of The Year". On the 1st CD issues extra tracks were also added as FZ progressed his concept for Frank Zappa - Presents Uncle Meat The Mothers Of Invention Movie.

    The title of this album also relates to 'uncle meat', a nickname bestowed upon Sandy Hurvitz by the band when she worked with them at The Garrick, above the Cafe Au Go Go, in New York. She also effected the introduction of Zappa to sleeve artist Cal Schenkel.

    Zappa states on this release:
    "The words to the songs on this album were scientifically prepared from a random series of syllables, dreams, neuroses & private jokes that nobody except members of the band ever laugh at, and other irrelevant material. They are all 'very serious' & loaded with secret underground candy-rock psychedelic profundities. (Basically, this is an instrumental album.)"

    "The music on this album was recorded over a period of about 5 months, from October 1967 to February 1968. Things that sound like a full orchestra were carefully assembled, track by track, through a procedure known as overdubbing.

    The weird middle section of "Dog Breath" (after the line, "Ready to attack") has forty tracks built into it. Things that sound like trumpets are actually clarinets played through an electric device made by 'Maestro' with a setting labeled 'Oboe D'Amore' and sped up a minor third with a 'V.S.O.' [variable speed oscillator]. Other peculiar sounds were made on a 'Kalamazoo' electric organ.

    The only equipment at our disposal for the modification of these primary sounds was a pair of 'Pultec Filters', two 'Lang Equalizers', and three 'Melchor Compressors' built into the board at Apostolic Studios in New York. The board itself is exceptionally quiet and efficient (the only thing that allowed us to pile up so many tracks) and is the product of Mr. Lou Lindauer's imagination & workmanship.

    The material was recorded on a prototype 'Scully 12-track' machine at 30ips. The whole project was engineered by Richard Kunc, or Dynamite Dick, as he is known in the trade. Special engineering credits go to Jerry Hansen for the percussion effects added later at Sunset Sound in L.A., and to our friend 'Mike' in Copenhagen for the tapes he sent us."
     
  23. mdekoning

    mdekoning Senior Member Thread Starter

  24. mdekoning

    mdekoning Senior Member Thread Starter

    Still no replies? I hope the thread won't die a quick death after only a few albums. Anyway, here's my own thoughts on the album.

    With its heavy use of horns, vibes and marimba, this sounds more like Zappa's later work than anything that came before. It's still a collection of many small fragments and not as focussed as the instrumental albums that would soon follow, but it's an improvement over his previous instrumental experiments. There's still the occasional spoken bit in between, but I don't find it as distracting here as on Lumpy Gravy. Also Ruth Underwood's first appearance on a Zappa album, although she wouldn't join the Mothers permanently until 4 years later.
     
  25. pbuzby

    pbuzby Senior Member

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    I think an issue is that we have discussed this album many times in past threads here. Some of the later releases could use more attention, though.
     
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