Genesis Invisible Touch, what is the weakest track here?

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  1. The_Windmill

    The_Windmill Forum Resident

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    Well, in theory, it all comes down to personal taste.
    In practice, what you said ;D
     
  2. richbdd01

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    All of them
     
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  3. The_Windmill

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    Apart from the predictable result about Anything She Does (which is what I voted too), I was expecting a higher degree of "intolerance" for the singles and for the pop-ish stuff.
    I was also expecting a higher dislike for slow pieces compared to the faster ones.

    What I find curious, even if it's still early to be definitive, is that Invisible Touch and In Too Deep fared much worse than, respectively, Land Of Confusion and Throwing It All Away.
    To me, they look almost interchangeable, I would expect an evenly split preference.

    Moreover, Land has kind of stiff-ish lyrics while Touch flows much better both lyrically and musically IMO (even if it's theme is more superficial).
    While Deep and Throwing are both ballads by a crossover band called Phil and The Mechanics; ok, Deep is more saccarine, but not that much. Plus it's one of Bate's favourites, if I'm not mistaken (you know I HAD to mention that)

    Everybody likes Domino, at least.
    EDIT: not anymore
     
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  4. supersquonk

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    Agree. Especially Brazilian live.

    This album sold to a lot of new and mostly temporary fans. It made them rich and got them their only #1 single. But it cost them much of the rock credibility they'd built as prog rockers and then as a sort of power pop trio with Abacab and the self-titled album.

    And how badly did this album date? Well, we're in the midst of an 80s revival right now but you won't hear any of these tunes on your local 1980s station.

    I voted for Domino which was the "bathroom break" song for every Genesis tour after that (except the Ray one I assume - never saw that one!)
     
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  5. Kiss73

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    Probably with old school genesis fans this was a hark back to more progressive material......but to those who loved 80's hits Genesis, I suppose an instrumental might not be their cup of tea. I personally love it.

    I've not voted. Whilst possibly the least Genesis, Genesis album, I thought it was exactly what it should be in 1986....and even In Too Deep and Anything She Does were great pop songs, if not necessarily Genesis songs.

    I thought it was a brilliant album.
     
  6. Ryan Lux

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    In Too Deep. Sounds too much like One More Night, everything else I love.
     
  7. Jimmy Cooper

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    Difficult. They are all really weak.
     
  8. abzach

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    Tonight, Tonight, Tonight must be Genesis most overrated track - Tonight, Tonight, Tonight, Tonight, Tonight, Tonight, Tonight, Tonight, Tonight, Tonight, Tonight, Tonight, Tonight, Tonight, Tonight - aaa-aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa - on and on and on and on and on..
    Really really - REALLY boring.
     
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  9. The_Windmill

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    did you miss the central section, perhaps?
     
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  10. abzach

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    No.
     
  11. Mr-Beagle

    Mr-Beagle Ah, but the song carries on, so holy

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    Domino.

    #Nylon sheets and blankets help to minimize the cold.#

    Yeuch!
     
  12. Runicen

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    Anything She Does

    Honestly, I'm voting with this one because it's the only track on the album that I can't summon to memory immediately. I don't have that problem with any of the other tracks on offer here, so the weakest award is delivered accordingly.

    Funny enough, there's a lot made of the "Phil Ballads" on this album, but there's something very different between the ballads on a PC solo album and what we get on a Genesis album. Granted, I say this as someone currently going through Phil's solo catalog, so it's a bit fresh, but I find there's a sparse quality to Phil's solo material that just doesn't come up on a Genesis album proper. I'd even go so far as to say that the "Genesis treatment" warms up his tracks in a way that doesn't often happen when he's left to his own devices. Yes, yes, yes, they're all personal songs, etc. but the lyrics are far more immediate and personal than the music tends to be on his solo material. Banks and Rutherford give a human touch to the music.

    Just my take, anyway. I find their touches elevate "In Too Deep" and "Throwing It All Away" beautifully.
     
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  13. John Harchar

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    Oddly enough for this conversation, but In Too Deep has been on the air every weekend in NYC for the past several months on a couple of stations. I think the AP connection may have helped it (it was actually in a movie in 1986, Mona Lisa, before IT came out)
     
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  14. tkl7

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    I don't really know Anything she does or the Brazilian. The rest is brilliant though - best Genesis album.
     
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  15. morgan1098

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    In Too Deep--it's tepid and it just drones on and on. And as others have said it sounds like too many Phil solo songs... and not the good ones.

    Surprised by the negative comments about "Land of Confusion." That song is ace!!!! It's dated but in a good way.
     
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  16. walrus

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    I love "Anything She Does." It's kind of light, but it sounds different than anything Genesis ever attempted, and hey, that chorus is catchy as hell. Too bad they never figured out how to play it live.
     
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  17. Terrapin Station

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    It's really frustrating that there's so much disdain for pop, though (as well as contemporary R&B, disco, and all sorts of other music). I can understand why "poptimists" sometimes act with such disdain towards rock--it's a bit of tit for tat because of the way that pop is disrespected.
     
  18. realmdemagic

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    Anything She Does. Not that it's bad, it just seems out of place on the album.

    People seem pretty divided on this album. I think it's their second best overall, with The Lamb being at the top.
     
  19. mbrownp1

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    It took me a long time to appreciate this iteration of Genesis. Now that I do, "Anything She Does" is the only real clunker there.
     
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  20. mbrownp1

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    I think you missed it.
     
  21. Shaddam IV

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    Yes the "Tonight Tonight"part is a top 10 rock cliche, and it's a tad repetitive. But the music is fairly (and immediately) compelling, which is kind of the point.
     
  22. Rojo

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    My vote goes to "In Too Deep". It sounds like a "One More Night" rehash.
     
  23. bRETT

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    No. It was the album's only unplayed track.
     
  24. vudicus

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    I swear it's true, I love "Anything She Does" and I don't care who knows it! :D

    The thing I love about it the most is the way the riffs come in between the vocal lines during the verses.
    I know it's poppy and somewhat cheesy (keyboard intro in particular) but I think it's great.

    "The Brazilian" isn't something I dislike, it's just my least favourite on the "Album".
    I do love "Do The Neurotic" and "Feeding The Fire" and would probably have picked one of those instead to go on the album, if it was down to me.
     
  25. Anything She Does.
     
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