Grateful Dead-Pacific Northwest-73-74/19 disc box set

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by I333I, Jun 12, 2018.

  1. pbuzby

    pbuzby Senior Member

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  2. bmoregnr

    bmoregnr Forum Rezident

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    I think DaP 21 4-2-73 is one of the best sounding things they've done yet. My impression is JN's transfer chain is a little more honest/accurate these days and then mastering wise it's presented fuller range, so when it comes to the sq of these things the tape or the mix has more of an impact than in the past IMO. That plus when you boil it down, the last maybe 8-9 DaPs have been pretty all over the map regarding year and mix wise and so each one's quibbles maybe stands out more; but on the whole I feel like I'm hearing more of the tape than in the past for good or bad which works for me. These things always come out DR wise for the CD at like 11's, maybe worst case a 10, not anything alarming to me. This is the last one I looked at DaP 25 Disc 1.

    DR Peak RMS Filename
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    DR11 -0.32 dB -13.82 dB 01 - Mississippi Half-Step Uptown Toodeloo.m4a
    DR11 -0.20 dB -14.39 dB 02 - Jack Straw.m4a
    DR13 -0.20 dB -15.41 dB 03 - Tennessee Jed.m4a
    DR13 -0.28 dB -14.96 dB 04 - Mexicali Blues >.m4a
    DR12 -0.25 dB -14.33 dB 05 - Me And My Uncle.m4a
    DR12 -0.22 dB -15.76 dB 06 - Friend Of The Devil.m4a
    DR10 -0.21 dB -12.56 dB 07 - New Minglewood Blues.m4a
    DR11 -0.23 dB -13.69 dB 08 - Dupree's Diamond Blues.m4a
    DR10 -0.20 dB -11.93 dB 09 - Passenger.m4a
    DR11 -0.37 dB -15.08 dB 10 - Dire Wolf.m4a
    DR9 -0.20 dB -11.81 dB 11 - The Music Never Stopped.m4a
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    Number of files: 11
    Official DR value: DR11
     
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  3. Freebird

    Freebird Was 205 pounds, now 215.

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    The show does have the "X-factor" though. The band is on. Like you, I would never just wasn't to play a side that consists of U.S. Blues.

    Portland Memorial Coliseum, Portland, OR (5/19/74)

    Side A
    1. Missisippi Half-Step Uptown Toodeloo[8:14]
    2. Mexicali Blues[3:58]
    3. Big Railroad Blues [3:57]
    4. Black-Throated Wind [6:45]

    Side B
    1. Scarlet Begonias [5:26]
    2. Beat It On Down The Line [3:47]
    3. Tennessee Jed[8:23]
    4. Me And Bobby Mcgee[5:51]

    Side C
    1. Sugaree[7:42]
    2. Jack Straw [5:22]
    3. It Must Have Been The Roses [5:28]
    4. El Paso [4:24]

    Side E
    1. China Cat Sunflower> [8:37]
    2. I Know You Rider [5:34]

    Side G
    1. Weather Report Suite> [18:24]

    Side J
    1. Truckin'> [10:43]
    2. Jam> [10:07]

    Side K
    1. Not Fade Away>[7:03]
    2. Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad [6:58]
    3. One More Saturday Night [4:50]


    These are the sides that will most likely get played the most.
     
    Last edited: Jun 19, 2018
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  4. Freebird

    Freebird Was 205 pounds, now 215.

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    Any drummers or others willing to describe Billy's snare drum set up in '74? Those snares sound loose. I could take a solo track of just Billy K and his drums and be happy during this period.
     
  5. notesofachord

    notesofachord Riding down the river in an old canoe

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    DR11 is very acceptable. Hopefully, we'll never see a Grateful Dead release with DR 7 or 8.
     
  6. US Blues

    US Blues Undermining Consensus Reality

    Check some of the shows that came from cassette masters and see what their DR is.
     
  7. US Blues

    US Blues Undermining Consensus Reality

    Imma gonna try and not take that personally. :nyah:
     
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  8. notesofachord

    notesofachord Riding down the river in an old canoe

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    Analog cassette compression doesn't sound as bad as digital compression, but, yes, it's still not ideal.
     
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  9. Freebird

    Freebird Was 205 pounds, now 215.

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    Hey! I have this cool repeat feature on my turntable. Up to six repeats and then after that infinity. I’ll put that side on we’ll let that sucker play all night long...lol.
     
  10. Crispy Rob

    Crispy Rob Cat Juggler

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    I didn't know that was the reason DiP 32 sounded so poor, but that certainly explains it. That's a pretty unforgiveable mistake.
     
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  11. US Blues

    US Blues Undermining Consensus Reality

    The truth is cassette's simply lack an inherently large dynamic range in the first place. So does vinyl, but that is another issue.
     
  12. notesofachord

    notesofachord Riding down the river in an old canoe

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    While digital technically has potential for more dynamic range than vinyl, practically, the analog format has plenty available for most musical styles. I mean only the most severe sound effects or film scores would need the extreme dynamic capabilities of digital.

    Now, whether one's cartridge and tonearm can accurately play back the highly dynamic grooves is another matter.
     
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  13. libertycaps

    libertycaps Forum Resident

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    Gave DiP32 a spin recently and it's not nearly as bad as i remember it being. We had it CRANKED LOUD, mind.
     
  14. nitsuj

    nitsuj Forum Resident

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    '74 Dead, on wax.
     
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  15. Dark_Star72

    Dark_Star72 Forum Resident

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    As a pretty recent Dead collector I'm starting to think about getting back into CDs just for their releases for reasons just like this and because of the vinyl pricing. I have Cornell, Live/Dead, and Europe 72 on vinyl but almost every release on my discogs wantlist for them is in excess of $70 (going all the way up to $300 for Sunshine Daydream).

    I originally pre-ordered the vinyl boxset for Pacific Northwest but might just cop the 3-disc comp. Better yet, I can pay nearly the same amount as this one new show on vinyl as to get the July 78 or Spring 77 (all music) sets. For the price of any of the From the Vault releases on vinyl you can get the CD set of all three.
     
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  16. Dreams266

    Dreams266 Forum Resident

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    Yes. They could all sound better. The ones from 74 and 77 sound nice but you can tell that they are still not done with the care that used to go into them.
     
  17. wgb113

    wgb113 Forum Resident

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    The comments regarding the vinyl only having 1-2 songs/side has me second guessing that pre-order since I've ordered the CDs as well...as a Dead n00b it's something I hadn't thought of.
     
  18. Freebird

    Freebird Was 205 pounds, now 215.

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    I was hesitant but I ended up ordering it. I listened to the Charlie Miller source on LMA last night and it's a special show. I'd regret not buying it.
     
  19. wgb113

    wgb113 Forum Resident

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    Just questioning whether I need it on vinyl and CD.
     
  20. Freebird

    Freebird Was 205 pounds, now 215.

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    You could question if you need it since there is a fine copy on Live Music Archive as well. However, I'm assuming all the vocal issues in the first set are resolved with this official release though.
     
  21. AlienRendel

    AlienRendel Senior Member

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    I'm generally a vinyl guy, and the GD shows I have picked up on LP have been very nicely done, but GD live tends to make more sense to me on CD.
     
  22. wgb113

    wgb113 Forum Resident

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    That's what I'm starting to think.
     
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  23. Eric Weinraub

    Eric Weinraub Forum Resident

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    Oregon
    This can be pre ordered substantially cheaper on the UK Amazon site than dead.net at roughly $70.

     
  24. aoxomoxoa

    aoxomoxoa I'm an ear sitting in the sky

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    USA
    Agreed. Side flips during sets are a bummer
     
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