Hello, Tivo. Goodbye, Life.

Discussion in 'Visual Arts' started by Ken_McAlinden, Sep 16, 2003.

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  1. Ken_McAlinden

    Ken_McAlinden MichiGort Staff Thread Starter

    Location:
    Livonia, MI
    I had DirecTV plus Tivo installed at my home on Friday. This thing should not be regulated by the FCC. It should be regulated by the FDA. I have been mainlining TV for the better part of three days now. I have only a vague recollection of what my family's faces look like. Help! I am a time shifted classic movie junkie! Now Playing - My Man Godfrey Tivo-ed off of Turner Classic Movies. Later tonight - a bunch of Harold Lloyd films.

    Regards,
     
  2. Ere

    Ere Senior Member

    Location:
    The Silver Spring
    Goodbye, Ken. See you on the other side:wave:
     
  3. mudbone

    mudbone Gort Annaologist

    Location:
    Canada, O!
    Ken, I've had that for two years. It's great! I love time shifting programs at the touch of a button.

    mud-
     
  4. stereoptic

    stereoptic Anaglyphic GORT Staff

    Location:
    NY
    How does the video quality compare to watching the same show "live"?:confused:
     
  5. Ken_McAlinden

    Ken_McAlinden MichiGort Staff Thread Starter

    Location:
    Livonia, MI
    It is nearly indistinguishable from satellite programming live. I can't usually tell without really straining my eyes and getting close to the TV. I'm watching mainly on a 36" direct view set. It might be easier to tell with a large projector set-up.

    Regards,
     
  6. stereoptic

    stereoptic Anaglyphic GORT Staff

    Location:
    NY
    thanks Ken.
     
  7. jkerr

    jkerr Senior Member

    Location:
    Suffolk, VA
    That's because the Tivo for DirecTV is really just a "bit bucket". That is, the digital signal coming in is just stored as is on the hard drive. No re-encoding. So there's no difference between what's stored or what's live. Of course what you're watching live is actually being stored at the same time, thus the ability to pause "live" tv.

    On the other hand the Tivo's (or other PVR's) for regular tv or cable (analog) will get the signal encoded on the fly to mpeg. So, depending on your quality setting, you'll have some degradation.

    I'm looking forward to next year when there's supposed to be a Hi Def Tivo. It'll have four tuners, two for DirecTV and two for over the air digital TV broadcasts. The OTA digital TV recording will be the same "bit bucket" idea as the DirecTV. It'll have a 250 gb hard drive for around 25 to 30 hours of Hi Def recording. It'll also store the standard def broadcasts too (not sure of the capacity, maybe 100 hours?). Suppoased to be out 1st qtr next year for $800 to $1K is the guess.
     
  8. John B

    John B Once Blue Gort,<br>now just blue.

    Location:
    Toronto, Canada
    The first step is admitting you have a problem. Well done!

    Stay strong, we'll have you cured in about 60 years.
     
  9. MagicAlex

    MagicAlex Gort Emeritus

    Location:
    Atlanta, GA
    I don't suppose there's a digital output on these units for computer capture is there? Only analog?
     
  10. jkerr

    jkerr Senior Member

    Location:
    Suffolk, VA
    Correct, only analog. I understand people were pushing for a firewire output to archive on the next gen Tivo. But the model I was describing for next year doesn't have firewire.

    What'd be great would be a built in dvd-r. Of course to avoid re-encoding that kind of dvd-r wouldn't be playable on a standard dvd player.
     
  11. Ken_McAlinden

    Ken_McAlinden MichiGort Staff Thread Starter

    Location:
    Livonia, MI
    There's an optical digital audio output, but that's it. I have a Phillips unit.

    Regards,
     
  12. Ken_McAlinden

    Ken_McAlinden MichiGort Staff Thread Starter

    Location:
    Livonia, MI
    One thing I was wondering about. The digital audio output on the DirecTV/Tivo box outputs any 2-channel stereo program's audio as 48kHz PCM. Is this a digital upsampling of whatever data-compressed format the audio is transmitted in, or is there some other type of re-sampling going on? I suspect it is the former, which would make the digital output the "minimum signal path" audio option versus the analog outs.

    Regards,
     
  13. Ted Bell

    Ted Bell Forum Dentist

    I actually find that Tivo lets me watch less TV. Knowing that the programs are available anytime means there's no compelling reason to watch them when they're on. Fast forwarding through the commercials and boring parts also saves time. For example, I can watch Saturday Night Live in less than 30 mins.
     
  14. Joel Cairo

    Joel Cairo Video Gort / Paiute Warrior Staff

    Location:
    Portland, Oregon
    For those that keep track of such things, there are hacks for the Tivo that allow installation of much larger hard drives and (at least on the analog models) extraction of the stored files.

    The mpeg format used sounds about like an SVCD standard (I believe the capture size is 480 x 480, IIRC), but I've always found the mpeg artifacts that their real-time encoders introduce to be too distracting... It's good to hear that the cable version is a bit bucket-- that should improved things considerably.

    -Kevin
     
  15. tone ded freb

    tone ded freb Senior Member

    Location:
    Arizona Snowbowl
    Make sure you move around every few hours, so you don't get blood clots.:)
     
  16. Ken_McAlinden

    Ken_McAlinden MichiGort Staff Thread Starter

    Location:
    Livonia, MI
    Re: Re: Hello, Tivo. Goodbye, Life.

    I have been diligent about pressing "pause", getting up, and retrieving beer & snacks, every few hours. :thumbsup:

    Regards,
     
  17. RDK

    RDK Active Member

    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    I have the Dish PVR and love it! The only problem is that I've long since filled up the HD storage space and I don't have time to watch everything I've stored on it. It probably doesn't help that half of what's stored are "Wiggles" episodes for the kids. ;)
     
  18. tone ded freb

    tone ded freb Senior Member

    Location:
    Arizona Snowbowl
    That'll do it!:D
     
  19. crazywater

    crazywater Dangerous Dreamer...

    Location:
    Rolesville, NC
    I've got two standalone units and have the Home Media Option which allows, multi-room viewing, remote scheduling, streaming of MP3s and digital photos from my PC...The greatest gadget I have ever bought....Just wait till cooperative scheduling comes out!! Whoa Baby!
     
  20. bldg blok

    bldg blok Forum Resident

    Location:
    Elmira, NY
    Congrats Ken! I've been a D-TiVo user since April 2001 and I can't/won't go back. I added a 2nd unit around 2 years ago and upgraded both myself using "Hinsdale's How To" and the MFSTools2 CD around this time last year. Both units now have ~109hrs. storage capacity and I use one for movies & the Sopranos, Futurama, while the other is for music shows, the Simpsons, and Curb Your Enthusiasm. I also have an unsubbed Series 1 SA I use for 2 networks I couldn't get waivers for.

    Glad you enjoy HMO Bruce, but for anyone who is a DirecTV subscriber, the D-TiVo is a MUCH better deal. TV MY way, baby!!!
     
  21. Clay

    Clay Forum Resident

    Location:
    Saratoga, CA
    I can hardly wait. I think this will be when I jump in.
    I did an on line survey for TIVO on this guy a few months ago.
    Firewire, DVI, USB, component, etc all choices for the survey.
     
  22. jkerr

    jkerr Senior Member

    Location:
    Suffolk, VA
    Unfortunately Firewire won't be on this unit. All the details I've read on the avs forum indicates this. Basically this means one can't transfer hi-def to a d-vhs (digital vhs tape) or possibly attaching another hard drive.

    It will have the new interface HDMI. That's basically DVI + multichannel audio. Myself I want to use HDMI just for the video and glad that its a much smaller connector than DVI.

    I'm planning on getting into hi-def this time next year. So the hi-def Tivo with the OTA capability will fit the bill perfectly. Well almost perfect. It would've been nice to have Firewire to able to archive hi-def movies.
     
  23. -=Rudy=-

    -=Rudy=- ♪♫♪♫♫♪♪♫♪♪ Staff

    Location:
    US
    I wonder what kind of hard drive is in these units. Meaning, could an end user pop the unit open and install something larger? (Not that it's recommended, but just on principle.) Makes me wonder if it's a proprietary hard drive controller in these units, or if it is more like a standard IDE or SCSI interface where the unit would accept whatever disk space is available.
     
  24. JohnG

    JohnG PROG now in Dolby ATMOS!

    Location:
    Long Island NY
    I'm also waiting for HI-DEF Direct TV TIVO.

    Getting by these days with Digital Cable that does have HBO Direct and Showtime Direct.
     
  25. bldg blok

    bldg blok Forum Resident

    Location:
    Elmira, NY
    Did you read my previous post Rudy? 'Cause that's exactly what I did, I added a 80G Maxtor slave to the existing 40G and I now have ~106hrs. recording capacity on both units. I ran MFSTools from an image I DL'ed from the TiVo Community Upgrade forum, burned it to CD as an ISO image, set my PC to boot from the CD drive, ran the Linux commands that were included in "Hinsdale's How To", installed both drives and away I went!!!

    It's all available at www.tivocommunity.com and scroll down to the Upgrade Forum section. Heck, cruise around awhile, you've got questions, they've got answers. :p
     
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