Kraftwerk More Influential Than the Beatles

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  1. Vangro

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    King Tubby never smoked a joint in his life, by the way, wouldn't allow anyone else to do so in his studio either, so I'll disregard this opinion.
     
  2. dadonred

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    When asked to comment on the Beatles, artists will comment on the Beatles.

    Hard to know the context in such a post as to whether they voluntarily offered that or whether they were providing a response when prompted.

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  3. uncle

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    I am 45, listen to rock with some pop and mostly old school hip hop mixed in. 95% of my active listening is to live recordings of my favorite artists. I am not big on studio albums if there is a good live recording alternative.

    Aside from perusing this site for the past 17 years or so, i really don't get into minutiae or history of music and the artists I like. For the most part I really don't care about who influenced a band or artist and would not seek that information out so unless I was exposed to them directly and liked what I heard, then there is no way for me to know who they are.
    I did go to YouTube after this thread and check out some of their stuff. Not for me and I know why I never heard of them. That style of music and performance does not appeal to me although I can appreciate that people may love it. Just doesn't connect with me.
     
  4. theMess

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    I assume that this comment was in response to my posts? Either way, the same applies to Kraftwerk; if asked about them, people will respond.

    All of the quotes I posted were from acts speaking about their influences.
     
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  5. Synthfreek

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    You've been perusing this site for 17 years and never once saw a mention of Kraftwerk until this thread?
     
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  6. Purple Jim

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  7. Why would that surprise you? Kraftwerk is not the subject of multiple threads after threads and can you honestly say you are aware of all the bands from the 70s that are mentioned from time to time in this forum? I know I can't, and I have been active here for 11 years.
     
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  8. notesfrom

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  9. gotblues

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    :):D I love this quote. Love all of both your posts, great research job. Thanks for taking the time to put it together - a most nifty read.
     
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  10. notesfrom

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  13. uncle

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    I can honestly say this is the first thread I can recall seeing regarding Kraftwerk. It is very possible I have "seen" the name in passing while scrolling or whatever but since they are not on my radar it didn't register with me. I don't read every single word posted on this site.

    Honestly if I hadn't been interested in the recent Sgt Pepper Beatles talks I probably wouldn't have even noticed this one. I generally don't go into Beatles threads either, it is only due to my renewed interest from the reissue that I have been checking out the Beatles threads.

    In another week or so I won't even be reading those as my interest will have been sated for the time being.
     
  14. gotblues

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    I was already aware of it, thanks.

    I've stated clearly upthread that I have no personal dog in this fight. I read and follow the thread because I'm interested in the general theme of influences, not because I am "for" or "against" either band or anything else for that matter. Nobody "wins". There is room for both bands, their respective impacts and influences, and for those who in turn influenced these bands. The pissing-match aspects here are a result of the way the original post and its cited article set up a pitting of one band (and their adherents) against another. Your link is of course also interesting but doesn't change the fact that the two posts put up by TheMess are good enjoyable reading and took some time to assemble, which I appreciated.

    While Kraftwerk is not my own cup of tea that doesn't mean I can't recognize their influences.

    While I cherish what is (relative to their huge catalogue) a handful of work from the Beatles, that doesn't mean I can't recognize their influences.
     
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  15. MHP

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    All of you are confusing popularity and expose, with influence. There is a huge difference.
    Being an influential act and setting a new direction in music is not necessarily the same as being all over the place, like The Beatles were and selling millions of records. If in doubt, then ask the millions of musicians who was directly or indirectly influenced by The Velvet Underground. While they were active, they were regarded by many as a novelty act and something Andy Warhol put together. Yet, the 4 groundbreaking records inspired millions of musicians, though they didn't sell anything.
    The same can be said of Kraftwerk, though they were actually more commercial. They created a whole new scene based on electronical concepts and sounds. Ask any electronica / techno and ambient-act who the godfathers are...

    It's about time people here should come out of their nutshell and accept the fact that The Beatles was not responsible everything.

    Time is running out and the rope are slippering. Beatle-maniacs are obviously very desperate that the art of their generation are vanishing over time, togrther with themselves. Therefore the 'Beatles-Are-Everything' attitude...
     
  16. Kraftwerk are now the godfathers of ambient too? Wow!

    Not that it really matters, but both Kraftwerk and The Beatles are Baby Boomer bands (along with most of their fans), so I fail to see this difference of opinion as an indicator of a generation failing to come to grips with the changin' times and tastes.
     
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  17. Terrapin Station

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    It matters when it comes to someone's popularity among musicians. You can't be influenced by an artist you're not familiar with first off. And you're going to be influenced by the music you spend a lot of time listening to.
     
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  18. DRM

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    The Beatles aren't everything. Plenty of other musicians have made excellent music.

    But there's going to be disagreement when the Beatles are put out there...in comparison to Kraftwerk.

    But we don't have to try to make points by putting forth that the Beatles enthusiasts are saying that the Beatles were Everything.

    And that no other group makes excellent and influential music.

    This thread put forth the questionable proposition that Kraftwerk were MORE influential than the Beatles.

    So naturally, people are going to respond.

    On BOTH sides.
     
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  19. theMess

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    Yes, that was an excellent quote from Bowie; he described what it is that I love about psychedelia and John's work so well, the 'strangeness' as he put it.

    Also, thanks for the kind words; it did take a while, but as you say, it is an enjoyable read, and it was fun to put together. There were already so many similar posts regarding Kraftwerk, so I thought that I should balance things out a bit.

    I am a huge fan of both groups, and listen to both regularly. I already tried to explain my views in a previous comment in this thread, so I won't bore anyone by repeating them, but in summary basically both groups are very influential on todays pop music, just for different reasons.
     
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  20. theMess

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    You can disregard the part about Dub as it relates to Tubby specifically, but the rest of the comment still stands.
     
  21. DRM

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    I would take your post more seriously.

    If you were more specific.

    Give it a shot...

    :shrug:
     
  22. I agree with you, but the title of the tread was designed to put these two bands head to head (as wrong a thread as you could ask for IMO). A thread that focused on the huge influence Kraftwerk had/has on modern music need not bring The Beatles into the equation.
     
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  23. Terrapin Station

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    If we're talking about current filmmakers, the ones who answer George Lucas are getting it right, and most would probably answer George Lucas.

    It's a common misconception that artists typically have something like an obsessive, nerdy fan's focus on the history of the artform they're working in. The majority of artists do not. Those of us who are obsessive, nerdy fans AND artists are in the minority--we fit in with most artists just the way that nerds fit in culturally in general.
     
  24. notesfrom

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    The press is comparing these to Vaporware and Portishead.

     
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  25. DRM

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    Yes. the title did bring up the Beatles.

    Out of necessity.

    Otherwise, if the title was: "There's nobody more influential EVER in the world of music compared to Kraftwerk"...there would be a tidal wave of responses bringing up the Beatles.

    Now, if the title would have stated: "Kraftwerk was VERY influential and REMAINS cutting edge."...the Beatles enthusiasts would have reacted differently. Or just stayed away...
     
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