"Making a Murderer" on Netflix

Why did Theresa's brother and ex-boyfriend know the password to her cell phone? One of many, many questions.....

 

They claim to have guessed..

 

Something about that Kratz rubbed me the wrong way, too.
We only have time to watch during dinner, and I just couldn't because I would get an instant stomach ache from the obvious obfuscating of truth throughout.
This thing is worse than the worst conceivable horror movie.

 

Think it'll do any good?
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...ng_a_murderer_can_t_be_pardoned_by_obama.html

 

The problem is the petition from Obama or the governor is for a full pardon. I'm not confident Avery did it or didn't do it. I'd want him to get a new trial, not a full pardon

 

I agree. New trial.

 

What about all the other people who are in jail for all the wrong reasons that don't have a TV show backing them? Our culture is truly the TV culture where people are motivated by TV shows rather than simple news.

For the record, I'm about halfway through the show and while I don't know whether or not Avery did it, it is clear he was railroaded and should get a new, fair trial.

 

Simple news convinced people that Avery was guilty before he even had a trial.

 

Yup and now it's doing the opposite.

 

And not on DVD/Blu ray, correct?

 

Netflix exclusive

 

Isn't the presumption of innocence a better place to start again than the presumption of guilt that has plagued Avery all his life? He may very well be guilty, but I'd like to see us start again from a presumption of innocence and prove him guilty beyond reasonable doubt. That certainly didn't happen the first time.

 

I think that's the point of this series, that this can happen anywhere in the US, that if cops and media (and then the public) presume you guilty, you're screwed. The series shows you're screwed with good lawyers and double screwed without good lawyers.

 

Is there any way we can get Len Kachinsky assigned to the Cosby defense?

 

Yeah, which "first time" though??

Happened at least twice as far as I saw.

But it's all corrupt. People who see Government as a "higher power" are like religious people to me. I can't swallow the pill - or at least, I'm gettin' the placebo because blind faith has never worked on me. People are people. Blind faith gets "burst" when pointed out as this doc did. And people do bad things for their own self-interest.

mrjinks put out a good example: Cosby. The Media doing everything they can to Cosby because it's the ground swell wave and great entertainment. If no one cared, the story would fade. Facts or no facts - don't think he's being "presumed innocent" in that one!

You have constant access to "this actor/this singer" beating a woman, finding child porn, and the story fades and the law doesn't make a big deal of it when the media goes away due to lack of attention. I'm not talking Jared from Subway - but that's the "good" story but over pretty fast since he pled guilty. But these countless other "famous people" where there are black and blue marks NOW and cops called NOW, today?... If the media doesn't catch on, do not think for a second the law will be as a harsh as if it did get big constant attention.

The Media only has loyalty to itself - whatever sells.

Anyone WATCH when Nancy Disgrace made shows upon shows of Avery's "Guilt"? She wasn't in the courtroom and she wasn't given facts that others weren't. But she's now defending herself and calling the documentary wrong. Because it doesn't jive with what she did to get ratings and her own narrative - so on to her next assault on people who are alleged to have done something wrong. Really sick. I see "The Court of Public Opinion" for what it is. Opinion, and you don't have all the facts - you get a story and you've already made up your mind.

I bet there are people here who would convict Cosby WITHOUT a trial. Right this second. That, to me, is horrifying. Scary times but they've done this in various forms for millennia.

And if Bill Clinton's allegations and settlements come up during 2016 again (a large part due to Cosby and of course, his wife's campaign for the Presidency) because it's a "story" that people latch to, then watch it all light up again.

So for all the horrific stories of injustice not being told - and not being "given" Avery's chance at a long documentary with plenty of attention - the other side is "the law" acting due to Media.

It all feeds on itself...

Jeff

 

In the words of defense attorney Stang :

"To be accused, is to lose."

 

They are continuing to film the Avery case, so we may get a sequel or update of sorts.

But even the first two episodes deserved its own documentary series!

Fascinating stuff and well put together - but again, the series itself "had a narrative" and everything is told from a perspective - even if that perspective we agree with after doing our own based on what's verifiable and available. Information wants to get out. It's the nature of things...

I was angry and felt bad for so many people while watching - believe it or not, the two feelings were about the same person more often than not. A lot of gray emotions for these characters. Nobody's an angel in real life, but this thing is not "the slam dunk" the prosecution intended. The Avery story has been a real life Coen Bros. film up til this point - people making bad decisions and digging themselves deeper for varying reasons all around.

Jeff

 

What overwhelmed me was the hubris of the cops. They were certain that they could do whatever they wanted to and get away with it. And guess what?

 

Don't believe everything you see on Netflix

 

*SPOILER ALERT BELOW*

I still don't get the deal with the vial of blood with the needle hole in the top, and the packaging on that was clearly opened.... Obviously it was tampered with! So many things are wrong with this case that it should have been thrown out..... The guy needs a new trial far far away... not in "neighboring" county that's likely in cahoots with the same shady local yokels...

 

Already at least one juror has come out and said s/he voted guilty only because s/he was afraid of repercussions in the community if s/he didn't.

 

If you've ever sat on a jury, you probably know that there is nothing worse than a jury of your peers.

 

That was something that I just assumed. Knowing that THESE evil, rotten criminals are/were in charge----the jurors would have sent Avery as well as Dassey up the river even if you could have had Teresa Halbach walk through the door during the closing statement.

I get it. I understand what some of the jurors might have felt. These people are truly dangerous. They are doing whatever they want to, and with impugnity. I'm pretty sure everyone has their numbers now, but I wouldn't put anything past them.




Dan

 

When a jury begins deliberations at 3 guilty, 7 not guilty and 2 undecided, and the verdict comes in the way it did.....well, do the math as they say.

 

I thought that all the footage of the salvage yard was an apt metaphor....