New Paul McCartney album "Egypt Station" coming September 7, 2018*

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by etcetera, Feb 2, 2016.

  1. Arnold Grove

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    Come to think of it, the Beatles' "Hold Me Tight" (off With The Beatles) has a bit of that sort of forced rock sound too. The whole band sounds so infectious, though, that I still get caught up in the song. But just judging the song on its own, it (for me) has a little of that pseudo rock sound that Paul occasionally would fall prey too in later solo years.
     
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  2. Glenn Christense

    Glenn Christense Foremost Beatles expert... on my block

    What you think sounds best.
    So in other words, narrow parameters . :D
     
  3. Arnold Grove

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    I guess it is hard to describe accurately. I mean, what does "forced" or "unnatural" mean? Plus different people obviously can apply those qualities to different songs or sounds.

    But there must be something that some of us are hearing, especially as there are a bunch of us who agree about this pseudo-rock sound in "Save Us" or "Looking For Changes" or "I've Had Enough".

    It doesn't mean that we are right or wrong. It is just interesting that some of us have independently formulated this idea all on our own.
     
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  4. maccafan

    maccafan Forum Resident

    If that's the way you choose to look at it, then you have to say the same about every human being that listens to or makes music!
     
  5. maccafan

    maccafan Forum Resident

    It's not about being right or wrong, I'm just trying to figure out what it is some are hearing that I don't? I've Had Enough grabbed me the very first time I heard it, the guitar riff, but even more than that, I absolutely love McCartney's rock shouting in that song! See as I've said before, that's one of the things I like about these forums, these discussions remind you of songs, and now I've got to hear I've Had Enough! Time to crank the Bose system!
     
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  6. Glenn Christense

    Glenn Christense Foremost Beatles expert... on my block

    Not really . I'm talking specifically about you .

    You seem to be one of McCartneys biggest supporters and champions here yet I find it odd that there are apparently quite large areas of his work that you have no use for ...at all.

    I can gripe about a song or two or 10 but I don't dismiss Paul as a rocker in total , just a few songs .'

    You seem to reject out of hand any work of his that strikes you as experimental though .
    Also , apparently any work of his devoted to mainly piano or acoustic guitar based music you would "absolutely hate" and find "totally booring" (Your spelling)

    I find that odd for a big McCartney booster.

    That's painting with a fairly wide brush for a big fan ,IMO but if that's your take on it so be it.
     
  7. maccafan

    maccafan Forum Resident

    bward, for whatever reason I couldn't quote you?

    I listen to I've Had Enough and I hear just the opposite of what you said. When McCartney shouts No No No No No No! the passion and fire is definitely there, and when he sings the words I've Had Enough he sounds like he really means it, so I just hear it totally different! Sounds full of passion and rock and roll fire to me.
     
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  8. bward

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    This is what I hear.

    You are right. That opening riff is a great musical statement. Awesome.

    But then, for me, the song doesn't follow through, it just bounces along.

    And Paul's vocal doesn't help. Where is that trademark McCartney vocal fire?
    Where is the passion?

    Just go back one album, Speed of Sound, and listen to Paul belt out Beware My Love. Or watch him perform Soily on Wings Over the World or One Hand Clapping. Paul is just insanely into those songs. Those are breathtaking performances. So, why pull back on I've Had Enough?

    On I've Had Enough I'd like to hear the guitars crunch through the entire song. And I'd like to hear Paul unleashed and unhinged, vocally. Instead, he kind of sleep walks his way through the whole song.

    I feel the same way on Girl's School. Why are the guitars not screaming through the entire song? Something is missing.

    Notice, how on the very next album, Paul is completely invested in all of the rock songs on Back to the Egg. Say what you will about the quality of the Egg songs, or the lyrics, but vocally, he is just selling it. BIG TIME.

    I think on all these non convincing rockers, the issue is that, for some reason, Paul just isn't invested in the song. Vocally, he can lift any song. But sometimes, he just doesn't.

    Hey, I love the guy. I hope I'm not coming across as too critical. Just trying to articulate what I sometimes hear.
     
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  9. bward

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    When I first posted, I made a formatting mistake. I thought I saved it, but didn't. So i had to rewrite. The revised version is above. I think you can reply to that.
     
  10. maccafan

    maccafan Forum Resident

    you may be specifically talking about me, but what you said and the way you look at it, could be applied to as I said any human being that listens to or makes music!

    Now I think you're taking what I said out of context, I don't dismiss any work of McCartney's that's devoted to mainly piano, acoustic guitar, or experimental. I said I wouldn't want an album thats' totally in those directions as one poster said he would do if he produced McCartney. Some of my favorite McCartney songs are acoustic, like The song We Were Singing, I've even posted the very few songs I like from Electric Arguments, Sing The Changes and Highway.

    So once again, I never said I don't like any work of his that's mainly piano or acoustic, what I wouldn't like is an entire album in just one of those directions!

    I also wouldn't want an album of just rocking songs! It has to be more balanced, I would want majority rocking songs, but not all rocking songs! McCartney is just too good of a ballad writer to not include any on his albums.
     
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  11. bward

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    I know what you mean, but to me, it's tame compared to his other rockers. Maybe he was going for a half rockabilly half rock sound with his voice. I don't know. If I was producing, I'd tell him to 'go for it!'
    And then, I'd probably be looking for work.....
     
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  12. maccafan

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    Girlschool?!
    I don't see how you could miss it, the guitars are totally on fire in that song! Now I do think that they should be brought up more in the mix, they should be more out front if that's what you mean, they should be louder is another way I could say it, but the performance, Jimmy Mcculloch is ripping it!
     
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  13. bward

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    WHAT?

    Good thing I'm not headed to Beatlefest this weekend. We'd have a serious problem ;)
     
  14. Glenn Christense

    Glenn Christense Foremost Beatles expert... on my block

    Well, I'm getting tired of talking about it.:p
    My original point was..at this point in his career I'd rather hear piano based or acoustic guitar based songs rather than lame (to me) rockers like "Save Us".'
    Songs like that one sound like "product" to my ears .

    If you like those sort of tracks more power to you.

    We are all big McCartney fans here but all the wishing in the world here isn't going to change Paul's new album. We are gonna get what he wants to give us.

    I'm going to listen to Electric Arguments and McCartney II tonight .
    Give them a spin. I think you'll like them. :D ;)
     
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  15. bward

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    Exactly. Jimmy is ripping it, but the guitars are mixed down. There is another mix floating around that emphasizes the guitars more. I prefer that.

    I guess it's sort of like when Lennon complained about the stereo version of revolution sounding like ice cream (my keyboard is doing strange things, like not capitalizing some letters tonight) and that he preferred the punch of the mono version.

    I wish Girls School punched me upside the head with those guitars. It should, plus those raunchy lyrics. It's a great song, that i think, could have been better produced. I thought this even way back in '78. Or was it '77...
     
  16. Chris from Chicago

    Chris from Chicago Experience is simply the name we give our mistakes

    I've noticed that if someone makes a sentence bold, and follows it with an exclamation point!... and italicized it... they must mean it so much harder.
     
  17. bward

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    Good call. I have a new pair of Grado headphones, and I think EA is in order. Love that album.
     
  18. maccafan

    maccafan Forum Resident

    I'm enjoying the conversation!

    I don't assume that new rockers from McCartney would be like Save Us! I'm listening to I've Had Enough, Get Out Of My Way and Looking For Changes, and they sound absolutely great cranked on my Bose system! McCartney is laying down some hard pseudo-rock!
     
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  19. maccafan

    maccafan Forum Resident

    I've noticed that no matter what's done, someone is going to comment about it!
     
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  20. bward

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    I like these conversations too. In the real world, there arent many people who will listen to me blather on and on about McCartney
     
  21. maccafan

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    Ok, now I can agree about the production, what I never agree about is that the songs don't rock! If you crank Girlschool, there's no way anyone can say the song doesn't rock! I do wish the producer had pushed the guitars more out front so you could hear even better how the guitars are just going for it, because they are!
     
  22. maccafan

    maccafan Forum Resident

    I'm fortunate that I come from a musical family, so I get to talk with other musicians who know about McCartney and many other artist! That may be one reason why I don't hear this music the way some others do, because I talk about these things with them. Being a McCartney fan I talk with them about McCartney and I let them hear things I know they wouldn't normally hear and the feedback is always very interesting.
     
  23. Monasmee

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    My wish for what it's worth....

    Paul releases a celtic progressive folk rock album combining elements of Ommadawn & Abbey Road.
     
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  24. edenofflowers

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    Now you know how Paul feels.
     
  25. bward

    bward Forum Resident

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    Oooooh. That would be pretty awesome.
     
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