New Paul McCartney album "Egypt Station" coming September 7, 2018*

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by etcetera, Feb 2, 2016.

  1. PhoffiFozz

    PhoffiFozz Forum Resident

    Chicago, IL, 60173
    I love Run Devil Run, but it was mostly a cover album. (Incidentally, the originals are my favorites on that album) I think McCartney still can rock and he still does. I loved "Cut Me Some Slack" for example. I just wouldn't want a McCartney album of all one style of originals at this point in his career. (And that goes for any style, not just rock) - I only came to critique "Save Us" and the other particular songs, because they were already mentioned. So it was specifically about those. And the fact that I just wouldn't want a single style McCartney album.

    I have no doubt Paul can still rock. Although, thinking of Run Devil Run and even something like "Lonely Road", those are quite a long time ago already. (Incidentally, I love "Lonely Road" too) "Only Mama Knows" is great and I think it was a great live rocker. "House of Wax" is fantastic too, but that is one that I'll probably always prefer the studio version of.

    And back to "Save Us", I wonder if my bass player singing it as "Shave Us Now!" has anything to do with me not taking it seriously?
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  2. PhoffiFozz

    PhoffiFozz Forum Resident

    Chicago, IL, 60173
    Pete Townshend & Phil Collins! You'd think that that lineup would have made something truly memorable. But I will admit to this, I'm sort of a fan of "Angry", well, the single mix with the horns. The album mix, which should be better in concept just brings the lameness out a little more. - But I totally understand others dislike for the song. I have a good friend who is a pretty big McCartney fan, (he would be able to hold his own in these conversations) who says that by and far "Angry" is his least favorite McCartney song.
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  3. johnny moondog 909

    johnny moondog 909 Beatles-Lennon & Classic rock fan

    All this griping about McCartney should do this, or should do that, reminds me of something funny.

    Occasionally I'll go back & read old album reviews or articles, for entertainment, sometimes for study, to refresh my memory about an album or period in an artists career, often as not, I'll read about the Beatles or a solo Beatle.

    Anyway I remember back around 79 McCartney left Capitol for the first time, & signed with Columbia Records for a big fat 5 year deal for his releases in the USA, remember this was about 1979.

    McCartney got millions for switching to Columbia ( back when millions was a lot of money !!!) All the press coverage about how he was past his prime wasn't selling records in high numbers anymore, it was a prestige signing for Columbia, getting the elder statesman of Rock former Beatle Paul McCartney of Wings !!!!

    First album Back To The Egg, panned by the public & critics for the most part & they all crowed preening how smart they were in the music press, the presitge signing nothing more he was done commercially, just a nostalgia act,

    Then Bam, McCartneys back with McCartney 2 & Coming Up, predicting Electronica a few years ahead of it's time. Then McCartney is jailed in Japan for weed ! Facing 6 years in prison ! Before the Japanese Government kicked him out with a warning to never come back !!! After 10 days in a a Tokyo Jail !Bad Boy McCartney is getting more press than anytime since his Beatles days ! Then Bam Lennon is murdered oh my God. The remaining Beatles convene for a day & quickly release Harrison's tribute song. Then McCartney returns with George Martin & Ringo Starr in tow, a year later with Tug of War in 1982. Hiis best album since Band On The Run or maybe since The Beatles or maybe ever !! A masterpiece crows the press.

    I know Tug Of War helped me in the difficult aftermath of Lennon's murder. I felt like I'd lost a best friend or a world leader like Kennedy or Spiritual leader like The Dalai Llama, Pope or Martin Luther King.

    Long story short, these same press writers, fans & critics go round & round every 3-5 years Tug of War has gone from masterpiece to Goat & back again I don't know how many times in the 40 years since "has been" & elder statesman Paul McCartney left Capitol for Columbia Records & that USA cash !

    Tug of War & Band On The Run haven't changed !!! But every few years the old writers & fans, or worse younger ones, don't know or remember how many times we've batted this musical pinball back & forth across this same table !

    I would've never imagined 40 years ago since The Columbia signing & Tug of War 35 & 40 years ago, McCartney would record & release Flowers In aThe Dirt, Flaming Pie, Run Devil Run, A Beatles reunion ! Chaos & Creation, MAF, Electric Arguments, NEW hailed as masterpieces all ! Then turned to goats & stones & back again to wine, in the press, just like Tug Of War has been for decades now.

    Talk about counting a guy out before his time !!!

    I'm guilty just like those fans & critics I'm calling out for hypocrisy, fickle taste or faulty crystal balls.

    Thank You Paul McCartney for continuing to make great works in difficult times, for Beatles & John Lennon fans like me, the millions of us, that got a little relief through terrible sadness & grief, and changing times where it got harder to find music we liked on the radio. I'm also a Big Paul McCartney fan. I know when I tease or complain about an album he's done, or questioning why this one is taking so long, it's out of fear of losing the guy, & simple impatience.

    Anyway I hope he's got one more good album in him, & that his voice is still holding up under studio conditions, ( overdubbing, punch ins, pitch correction, ) to sing well enough to get it across, successfully to me, the public, the critics, so we can praise it mightily, before we turn on you again & tear down. Saying it didn't rock enough or have proper mastering applied. He should sell fries with that.

    Paul call me, I'll tell you what you should do.
  4. Monasmee

    Monasmee Forum Resident

    Albuquerque NM
    Better Call Paul
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  5. Frank

    Frank Forum Resident

    We should start a message board where all the people agree with and enjoy everything an artist does and, consequently, each other. That sounds like fun!

    Remember when he released Off the Ground?


    That was great wasn't it?


    I bought it day one.

    Me too.

    Glad he didn't leave any songs off or substitute any songs with other songs.

    Yeah. He did it perfect.

    I'm going to listen to it now.

    Me too.

    We should listen synchronized and start a thread where we talk about how much we love each song, song by song.

    Yeah. Do it.

    Yak. Bip Bop.

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  6. gottafeelin

    gottafeelin Forum Resident

    Continuing to lurk myself.

    Not sure why we are announcing it...
  7. idreamofpikas

    idreamofpikas Forum Resident

    lol I take it you don't mean the modern meaning of goat(greatest of all time).
  8. revolution_vanderbilt

    revolution_vanderbilt Forum Resident

    New York
    Where do I register???????
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  9. Arnold Grove

    Arnold Grove Senior Member

    Great post. I feel exactly what you said.

    You also mentioned Run Devil Run in a previous post and about how much of an excellent ROCKING album that is. Interestingly, both Back To The Egg and Run Devil Run were coproduced by Chris Thomas, who knows a thing or two about rocking albums (from The White Album to early Roxy Music albums to the Sex Pistols to a number of Pretenders albums). So somehow, Chris Thomas is one of the few individuals who seems to be able to get Macca to pick things up a notch in the true rock department.
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  10. Paul H

    Paul H Forum Resident

    Nottingham, UK
    I'm not. I have no clue about anything.

    Damn: it appears I just unlurked. Just thought I'd mention it :)
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  11. Fortuleo

    Fortuleo Forum Resident

    Girlschool has the crazy vocal when he gets to the "She gives them thrills in a paper cup" bit that sells it and gets me every time. But it doesn't change the fact that some rock songs are indeed "forced" in his catalogue. I've Had Enough is by far the best example, with maybe Get out of My Way (another one that "could've been").

    I remember a print interview dated sometimes in 78 where he talked about maybe doing only ballads from then on, an idea that kind of defines the aesthetics of the London Town LP (incidentally one of my personal favorites LP's – save for I've Had enough). Of course he quickly dismissed that decision for the next album… but it can be argued he came back to it for a while in the 80's. I wish I could find a link to that interview.
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  12. Darrin L.

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  13. bward

    bward Forum Resident

    Boston, MA USA
    Excellent observation Arnie.

    When I wrote my post, I was trying to remember who produced those albums. It was my old age catching up to me, I guess that I couldnt remember Bte was not self produced, as the other wings albums. Also, i was too tired to look it up. )

    Over the years, Chris Thomas has done wonderful work for Paul.
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  14. Paul H

    Paul H Forum Resident

    Nottingham, UK
    I agree that not all of McCartney's attempts at rockin' have proved successful. I'd agree that I've Had Enough is one that doesn't really get there - I blame it on the slow pace and handclaps - and, much as I actually like it, I agree that Angry isn't especially convincing. It's like he's telling you how angry he is in a very calm manner so as not to cause a scene, much like you might to in a shop or restaurant.

    I think Get Out Of My Way is a different beast: I don't think it's supposed to rock. It's more just a fun, jaunty piece of almost rockabilly. McCartney himself has said how hard it is to write rock n roll songs; I think he mentioned this in discussions about Run Devil Run from the same titled album.

    Personally, though, I don't think many of McCartney's songs are genuine rock. Within the sphere of Beatles/McCartney there are songs that are more rock than others but when one puts most of his material up against the likes of Led Zep or heavy metal or Springsteen, pretty much most of it sounds pretty limp. It's just not what he does. However, within the Venn diagram of McCartney as Rocker, I'd say that Looking For Changes is pretty convincing (to me at least).
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  15. Haristar

    Haristar Living in the Material World

    Southampton, UK
    He also produced "Birthday" and "Happiness is a Warm Gun", two of the rockier songs on the White Album.
  16. joelee

    joelee Senior Member

    Totally Agree!
  17. Arnold Grove

    Arnold Grove Senior Member

    Yes, I mentioned the White Album in my original post (but I didn't mention any specific songs).
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  18. Haristar

    Haristar Living in the Material World

    Southampton, UK
  19. Sean Murdock

    Sean Murdock Apple Consigliere In Waiting

    Bergenfield, NJ
    That's what they did for "Early Days," and fans have been b¡tching about it for over 4 years now! :laugh: :agree:
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  20. maccafan

    maccafan Forum Resident

    I cranked my Bose system last night and listened to, I've Had Enough, Girlschool, Angry, Lonely Road, Get Out Of My Way, About You, Beware My Love, Only Mama Knows, Old Siam Sir, Looking For Changes, Getting Closer, What It Is, She Said Yeah, Party, Smile Away, Junior's Farm, Hi Hi Hi, Soily, Stranglehold, Whole Life and Rockshow!

    I didn't hear anything forced or unnatural, what I heard was an artist that not only rocks, but does it in a variety of ways! None of the above songs sound the same and all of them rock! McCartney has always been a rocker, he just has never received his due as one! Some even claiming that his rock isn't rock, whatever that means?!

    You can't compare McCartney to Led Zeppelin, that's two totally different styles! Springsteen couldn't touch something like Soily from Wings Over America or Beware My Love, he wishes he could rock as hard as McCartney!

    Two things I notice about Paul McCartney, in his entire career he's never received the credit he deserves for being a rocker, and after the Beatles his output has never received the real credit it truly deserves, and the really sad part about that is, in both cases he and it probably never will!
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  21. Arnold Grove

    Arnold Grove Senior Member

    It's now designated as Macca Rock ... ;)
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  22. Arnold Grove

    Arnold Grove Senior Member

    I cranked my Bose system last night and listened to: We All Stand Together, Spies Like Us, Mary Had A Little Lamb, Freedom, Kreen Akore, Rudolph The Red-Nosed Reggae, Bogey Music, PS Love Me Do (studio version), PS Love Me Do (live version), and the whole Driving Rain album ...

    Boy was I sick ... ;)
  23. willie john

    willie john Well-Known Member

    Driving Rain is not as bad as many think.
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  24. pokemaniacjunk

    pokemaniacjunk Forum Resident

    south paris maine
    Well we haven't had any new songs to bitch about yet
  25. supermd

    supermd Forum Resident

    Campbell, CA
    There's another instance of Paul "trying" something with a song on New: "Everybody Out There" is trying to be a stadium chant, which nobody cared about, and in my opinion, is one of the weakest tracks on the album.
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