SH Spotlight Old Polydor CD "Strange Brew-The Very Best Of Cream" mastered by Dennis Drake. Best sound, cheap!

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  1. Steve Hoffman

    Steve Hoffman Audiophile Music Mastering Your Host Thread Starter

    I had all three at one time, no more, sadly. The second one on Polydor was the best: A nice, neutral transfer DENNIS DRAKE transfer of the warts & all Atlantic stereo master mix by Tom Dowd.
     
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  2. Ric-Tic

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    I see, and how very interesting. From a technical standpoint then I was completely wrong :) . I understand your first comment now. I am a sociologist by trade so defining decades by societal changes are much more blurred compared to using technology as a reference point.

    May I kindly ask for a spotlight that makes a reference to changes in recording technology and subsequent change in sounds?
     
  3. Steve Hoffman

    Steve Hoffman Audiophile Music Mastering Your Host Thread Starter

    Well, because of the increase in channels, the mixing of 70s stuff is more subtle, the echo toned way down (like on a Linda Ronstadt record, hardly any) and the laid-back result combined with the middle decade Disco stuff of course caused the Punk Rock late 1970s sonic changes and ultimately the 1980s fake drum overkill sound that we all cringe at today.
     
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  4. Carl Swanson

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    I've always thought the upper end was a little "de-emphasized", right from the original LP I had in 1968, but it was a mastering decision, not a defect.
     
  5. jamesmaya

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    :laugh: I never realized that your avatar is Ginger Baker. I've always assumed that it was a picture of you, tommyboy! :laugh:
     
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  6. MYKE

    MYKE Get Off My Lawn

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    Aunt Madeline ? Is that you ?
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  7. Duke Fame

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    Crap. Once I saw the cover I realized I had that CD in my collection a loooong time ago. I probably got rid of a bunch really good sounding discs over the years for "better" remastered versions :) Oh well, lesson learned.
     
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  8. Ric-Tic

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    This is really interesting to me. Can I just pick any Linda Ronstadt recording from the 70s or do you have a specific recording or recordings in mind? If you could give examples of typical recordings for each technological change that would be helpful and interesting.

    Where do I put bands like Kraftwerk, Depeche Mode and The Smiths in the timeline of technological change?
     
  9. Vinyl Fan 1973

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    Yes dear! Give us a kiss!
     
  10. Tommyboy

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    I'm a little younger and not as miserable. Some may debate that!
     
  11. Rose River Bear

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    Thanks for the tip on this Steve. Mine arrived today. I have many Cream comps but this one tops them all.
    I got the West Germany version. Manufactured by PDO in center hub all silver. EAC values...97.5, 100, 100, 100, 100, 100, 100, 96.7, 92.7, 100, 100, 88.1.
    I am hearing nuances in the guitar parts that I did not recognize before.
    Thanks again!
     
  12. Rose River Bear

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    It is a cut below the Drake Very best of but IMO it is decent sounding.
     
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  13. qwerty

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    One thing I find interesting is how the technological change can drive sociological change. In aspects I feel that technological change gives much more precise reference points for sociological change than the more nominal definitions by decades.
     
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  14. George P

    George P Down With The King

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    So I guess you could say it is the cream of the crop? :D
     
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  15. Rose River Bear

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    I compared them and I don't think I can argue your opinion. Maybe not "destroy" but the SHM SACDs are pretty amazing sounding. I have not heard the 24/192 versions but I have all of the SHM SACDs.
     
  16. Digital Vinyl Infidel

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    Cool, I have a witness!

    As nice as the Drake remaster sounds (I had it for a long period of time) the SHM SACDs are just spot on. They are flat transfers from the original
    reels and they sound as analog as digital is going to.

    The 192 Khz downloads are crazy good, but I must warn they are clearly more compressed loudness wise. They sound vibrant, and you hear
    what sounds like a live acid rock band. There is a lot of romanticizing about this or that mastering from back in the day, but things move on, and ADCs
    and mastering chains improve and in the hands of the RIGHT people, that is a big plus.. No do doubt that Drake had the right idea and is a real mencsh. No compression, clean chain, and a great pair of ears.
     
  17. Rose River Bear

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    I agree. I hear some low frequency and mid range stuff on the SACD that does not come out on the Drake version. It has nothing to do with the SHM SACD being goosed either because both of them sound about the same dynamics wise.
    Like you said, mastering chains improve.
     
  18. Digital Vinyl Infidel

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    Yes, and a natural crunch to the guitars that make them sound like overloaded cabinets (which they were!) and the syncopation between the bass drum and bass...much more locked in.
     
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  19. Rose River Bear

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    On a couple of the songs from Fresh Cream, I hear the bass drum clearly on the SHM SACD compared to the cuts on the Drake comp. At first I wasn't sure what I was hearing that was different but I realized it was the bass drum in the stereo mix that I was not hearing on the Drake cuts.
    Still, the Drake comp is the best sounding comp I have.
     
  20. Digital Vinyl Infidel

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    ....and Ginger Baker's bass drum(s) style is very distinctive..was probably very difficult to record.
     
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  21. rbp

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    That photo of Ginger always reminds me of old man Albert Steptoe.
     
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  22. Digital Vinyl Infidel

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    For the record here are the notes for the Cream 24/192 masterings:

    "Transfers and Mastering by Seth Foster at Sterling Sound, NYC

    All digital files were mastered directly from the original analogue tapes using a custom-made analog transferring console and native hi resolution digital converters.

    Tape research and remastering supervision by Bill Levenson."

    For several of the Japanese SHM SACDs:

    "Reissue with SHM-SACD format. Features 2013 DSD remastering, using the UK original master tapes."

     
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  23. Tommyboy

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    Yeah, :laugh:

    Isn't that Paul's grandfather in A Hard Days Night?
     
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  24. Carl Swanson

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    I think we're in the same classroom.
     
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  25. Carl Swanson

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    It's not just technology, it's also "artistic" preference and mastering skill/ability.
     
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