Question: 'George Martin And His Orchestra Play Help!'

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  1. Jim Foy

    Jim Foy Forum Resident Thread Starter

    What is the story behind 'George Martin And His Orchestra Play Help!' ?

    I think I have been able to put together the following:

    When the film 'A Hard Day's Night' was released in the US it was released by United Artists.
    They (UA) had the rights to release the soundtrack which they did on their version of the 'A Hard Day's Night' LP.
    Capitol, however, had the rights to release ALL Beatles songs in the US so they could release the same songs as United Artists did as long as they (Capitol) didn't market them as 'soundtracks'.
    And so they did on their rag-bag LP 'Something New'.
    That left United Artists with four instrumentals by the George Martin Orchestra which they released on two singles in an attempt to cash in.

    When it came to the film 'Help!' George Martin was not given the task of writing the score.
    He later explained:
    "Although the music from the first film was an enormous success, Dick Lester and I didn't get on too well. So I had nothing to do with the score".
    Instead the score was written by Ken Thorne and The Beatles had nothing to do with his instrumentals (Paul even says so in one of the interviews from the 1965 tour in the US).
    The film 'Help!' was also released in the US by United Artists.
    However, this time Capitol had managed to get the rights to the soundtrack and they released the Ken Thorne muzak fillers on their version of the 'Help!' LP.
    That left United Artists with nothing.

    My question is therefore:
    Since the LP 'George Martin And His Orchestra Play Help!' was released in the US by United Artists in 1965 was that an attempt to throw UA a bone for them to cash in on ?
    Does anybody know WHEN in 1965 it was released ?

    I'd be very happy if somebody could fill me in on the background for this (fine) album.
    Thanks in advance.
     
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  2. Joe Koz

    Joe Koz Prodigal Bone Brother™ In Memoriam

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    Funny you should start a thread on this subject. I was just plying this the other night.

    Unfortunately, I know very little about the George Martin albums that were released on United Artists. As for why George Martin record an album of "Help!" songs? I believe at the time those Lennon/McCartney and Harrison songs were the most current of the crop so to speak.

    He (George Martin) was under contract to United Artists. He released an album of "A Hard Day's Night" songs why not continue on with songs from "Help!" Actually some of the songs Martin did on the "Help!" album didn't make the movie.

    Martin recorded several albums of Beatles songs on United Artists. "Off The Beatle Track," "Help!" and there's a third one which the title escapes me at the moment.
     
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  3. MikeM

    MikeM Senior Member

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    And interestingly, several of them were Beatles melodies under working titles -- the famous "Scrambled Egg" ("Yesterday") being one of them. Others I recall are "Auntie Gin's Theme" and "That's a Nice Hat (Cap)." I have this album, but I can't remember what the last two correspond to.
     
  4. Jim Foy

    Jim Foy Forum Resident Thread Starter

    "Auntie Gin’s Theme" is "I’ve Just Seen A Face" and "That’s A Nice Hat (Cap)" is "It’s Only Love".
     
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  5. peerke

    peerke Senior Member

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    Some time ago I had a discussion with another member on this board. He thought George Martin recorded his versions before The Beatles did. That's why he used those working titles.
    I had never thought of that. I always assumed The Beatles were first and George Martin simply made new arrangements and recorded them.

    What do you think about this?
     
  6. Jim Foy

    Jim Foy Forum Resident Thread Starter

    I think there's some truth in that.
    Although I haven't been able to find the exact release date I believe I have nailed it down to August 1965.
    Apparently the LP was released in the U.S. shortly before Help! appeared in theaters and it marked the very first appearance of ”Yesterday” (under the title ”Scrambled Egg”) several weeks before The Beatles’ own vocal version was released as a single in the US on 13th September.
    It sounds likely to me that George Martin used the working titles of the songs because he recorded his versions before The Beatles did ...
     
  7. Solaris

    Solaris a bullet in flight

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    That would be George Martin and His Orchestra Instrumentally Salutes The Beatles Girls (1966). Another LP, London By George, from (I believe) 1967, has instrumental versions of Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band and I Am The Walrus, not to mention a groovy picture on the cover of a naked girl painted like a British flag, holding a sitar.

    Jason
     
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  8. Magnus A.

    Magnus A. Forum Resident

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    I know these four 60s albums:

    Off the Beatle Track
    Parlophone PMC 1227 (mono); PCS 3057 (stereo)
    10 July 1964

    Side 1
    All My Loving
    Don’t Bother Me
    Can’t Buy Me Love
    All I’ve Got to Do
    I Saw Her Standing There
    She Loves You

    Side 2
    From Me to You
    There’s a Place
    This Boy
    Please Please Me
    Little Child
    I Want to Hold Your Hand

    Off the Beatle Track
    United Artists UAL 3377 (mono); UAS 6377 (stereo)
    3 August 1964

    Side 1
    She Loves You
    Can’t Buy Me Love
    Don’t Bother Me
    All I’ve Got to Do
    I Saw Her Standing There
    All My Loving

    Side 2
    Please Please Me
    I Want to Hold Your Hand
    From Me to You
    Little Child
    This Boy
    There’s a Place

    By Popular Demand: A Hard Day’s Night
    United Artists UAL 3383 (mono); UAS 6383 (stereo)
    2 November 1964

    Side 1
    I Should Have Known Better
    Tell Me Why
    I’m Happy Just to Dance with You
    If I Fell
    And I Love Her
    Ringo’s Theme (This Boy)

    Side 2
    A Hard Day’s Night
    I’ll Cry Instead
    I Want to Hold Your Hand
    All My Loving
    She Loves You
    Can’t Buy Me Love
    Don’t Bother Me

    Help!
    United Artists UAL 3448 (mono); UAS 6448 (stereo)
    6 September 1965

    Side 1
    Help!
    Another Girl
    You’re Going to Lose That Girl
    I Need You
    You’ve Got to Hide Your Love Away
    The Night Before

    Side 2
    Ticket to Ride
    Auntie Gin’s Theme
    That’s a Nice Hat (Cap)
    Tell Me What You See
    Scrambled Egg

    Help!
    Columbia 33SX 1775 (mono); Columbia Studio 2 Stereo TWO 102 (stereo)
    19 November 1965

    Side 1
    Help!
    Another Girl
    You're Going To Lose That Girl
    I Need You
    You've Got To Hide Your Love Away
    The Night Before

    Side 2
    Ticket To Ride
    Bahama Sound
    I've Just Seen A Face
    It's Only Love
    Tell Me What You See
    Yesterday

    George Martin Instrumentally Salutes the Beatle Girls
    (US:) United Artists UAL 3539 (mono); UAS 6539 (stereo)
    28 November 1966
    (UK:) United Artists SULP 1157
    3 March 1967

    Side 1
    Girl
    Eleanor Rigby
    She Said She Said
    I’m Only Sleeping
    Anna (Go to Him)
    Michelle

    Side 2
    Got to Get You into My Life
    Woman
    Yellow Submarine
    Here, There and Everywhere
    And Your Bird Can Sing
    Good Day Sunshine

    Instrumental versions of tracks such as I Feel Fine, P.S. I Love You, No Reply, Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band, and I Am the Walrus appear on other George Martin records during the 60s.

    Now, could somebody just tell me why I’m Only Sleeping was included on an album titled George Martin Instrumentally Salutes The Beatle Girls???
     

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  9. PeteRFNY

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    I don't know, but that's the best LP cover - ever! Who knew Sir George was such a Hugh Hefner? :laugh:
     
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  10. Solaris

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    The use of the title "Scrambled Egg" on the first release of the Help! instrumental LP begs the question of when the George Martin Orchestra sessions were recorded. Were they recorded prior to The Beatles' own session for "Yesterday" on 14 June 1965?

    Just thinking out loud here, I don't have my files or books handy, but I seem to recall either GM or Paul saying that the melody for "Yesterday" had been kicking around since 1964. Does anyone else remember this?

    Jason
     
  11. Hawkman

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    London By George is a great album!! And you are correct, it is a GREAT cover!!

    It sounds very '60's' for lack of a better word, both in sound and feel. Some great Beatle covers, some great George Martin tunes like Theme One, Frost Over London (the David Frost Show theme) and even a pretty cool cover of Itchykoo Park!!!! :D
     
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  12. Hawkman

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    Just so you can see what the cover of the US version looks like, here is a crappy scan of the cover of London By George which is from a piece of paper that was reduced to cd size for the needle drop. :D

    The 'lines' that you see near her feet and the top right corner are the reflection off of the shrink wrap which was still on the lp when I bought it. I didn't want her soiled.
    At least not by strange hands. :D
     

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  13. MikeM

    MikeM Senior Member

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    The story Paul always tells is that the melody for "Yesterday" came to him in a dream. He quickly woke up and played it on the piano to fix it in his memory. Still called "Scrambed Egg" at the time. So if true, that would belie the "kicking around since 1964" story -- unless Paul really did wait at least a half a year or more to finish the song. But I never got the impression from the way he told the story that there was a long gap between "Yesterday"'s dream conception and the finished product.
     
  14. peerke

    peerke Senior Member

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    There are stories that Paul was playing what he had then of the song during the filming of A Hard Day's Night.

    Ray Coleman wrote a whole book devoted to the song and it's history, but there's not a word about George Martin's instrumental version - very strange!
     
  15. mfp

    mfp Senior Member

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    I once saw this in a store and regretted not buying it ever since.
    Is it any good? I mean, And Your Bird Can Sing, She Said She Said... I'm very curious about what they're like. And what is Woman?
     
  16. peerke

    peerke Senior Member

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    'Woman' is a song written by Paul and given to his "brother in law" Peter Asher, for his duo Peter & Gordon.
    I think that's the one where he used the alias Bernard Webb, to see if it was his name that sold, or the quality of the song.
     
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  17. PaulKTF

    PaulKTF Senior Member

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    Are any of these albums of George Martin versions of Beatles songs (as listed above) on CD by chance?
     
  18. Magnus A.

    Magnus A. Forum Resident

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    Well, I would simply classify it as easy listening George Martin style. Nothing I would listen to regularly, but it's interesting to hear how George Martin, being an integral part of the process of recording these songs, personally perceived and interpreted the melodies.

    Woman is a song Paul McCartney wrote (under the pseudonym Bernard Webb) and gave away to Peter & Gordon, who recorded it and released it as a single in January 1966. It didn't chart.

    As for me, I wonder whether Martin's composition "Bahama Sound" on the UK version of the Help! soundtrack album has anything to do with the film.

    You can listen to samples of George Martin's Beatle Girl songs on Amazon. They've got the Beatle Girl album and Off the Beatle Track on CD.
     
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  19. Solaris

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    If you're trying to complete your George Martin orchestra collection, you'll also want to look for the soundtrack to The Family Way. While Paul McCartney is credited as the film's music composer, George Martin was the one responsible for arranging the melodies Paul devised. Of the composition "Love in the Open Air," Martin had this to say in December 1966:

    "I went to America for a time and on returning [21 November] realised we needed a love theme for the centre of the picture, something wistful. I told Paul and he said he'd compose something. I waited, but nothing materialized, and finally I had to go round to Paul's house and literally stand there until he'd composed something. John was visiting and advised a bit, but Paul created the tune and played it to me on guitar. I listened and wrote it down. It is a fragile, yet compelling, melody. I arranged it for woodwinds and strings and we called it 'Love In The Open Air'. It's quite haunting."
    (New Musical Express, 24 Dec 1966)

    Jason
     
  20. Jim Foy

    Jim Foy Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Magnus A wrote: "As for me, I wonder whether Martin's composition "Bahama Sound" on the UK version of the Help! soundtrack album has anything to do with the film."

    I think that is a very good question!
    "Bahama Sound" was the B side to the American release of "Love In The Open Air" which is its sole "Beatle" connection.
    It has nothing to do with the film 'Help!' - and has nothing to do with the film 'The Family Way' either as it didn't appear on the soundtrack ....
     
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  21. Jim Foy

    Jim Foy Forum Resident Thread Starter

    A big thanks to everybody who helped med with my questions about George Martin's 'Help!'.
    For some reason it has been difficult to find information about that album - untill I posted here.
    That's one of the great things about this board; ask a question and suddenly it snowballs into a wealth of information.
    Thanks also for supplying scans of the artwork- excellent stuff ...
     
  22. william shears

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    This one too..
    time is on my side
    If I fell
    You've lost that lovin' feeling
    all quiet on the mersey front
    downtown
    and I love her

    goin out of my head
    no reply
    a hard days night
    I'm happy just to dance with you
    cast your fate to the wind
    I'll cry instead
     

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  23. mfp

    mfp Senior Member

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    Thanks for the link to the samples. I don't regret not buying it anymore. :)
     
  24. Jim Foy

    Jim Foy Forum Resident Thread Starter

    By the way, did 'George Martin And His Orchestra Play Help!' chart ?
     
  25. Joe Koz

    Joe Koz Prodigal Bone Brother™ In Memoriam

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    That's a good question. I'd guess if they did, they were probably very low on the charts. I don't think these Martin albums sold very well. If you look at the prices on e-bay for the records, they're sky-high.

    His out of print CD's of the United Artist titles, go for 25-50 dollars on Amazon!
     
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