Taylor Swift Appreciation Thread

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Socrates, Jan 18, 2018.

  1. Socrates

    Socrates Well-Known Member Thread Starter

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    Taylor didn’t have to divide and alienate her own audience. I’m not sure if she set out to do that or not. Or maybe she hasn’t even done that at all. I wonder what Taylor wanted to do by releasing REP? In ‘Chronicles Vol.1,’ Bob Dylan wrote about wanting a new audience. He did things to get a new audience.

    I have total respect for animals. Except for mosquitos and black flies, I wouldn’t even kill insects when I was a child. I finally stepped on a spider when I was in my 20s. Someone else thought the spider would bite them. I had to squish the spider. I’m usually peaceful with all living beings.

    I care for pets. I have essentially become an undertaker for old dogs. I take care of old dogs before they die. I have them for a few years, and then it’s time. I’m the most gentle, nicest man anyone could meet.

    If you knew me in person, you would know how unusual it would be for me to say I killed snakes “with my bare hands.” I don’t want to set a scene on the internet that depicts cruelty to reptiles. But I had to put that in there for shock value — that whole thing about the snakes.

    I’m nice to people and animals, and usually insects too. That was just an honest story, about how I walked into a swarm of snakes one summer. But I think it was jarring, the way I wrote about how I killed those garden snakes. People may think I go too far in my writing style on the internet at times. The juxtaposition of images may have bothered some readers. That's what great songwriters like Bobby and Tay do, they write in big images that can become incongruous within a juxtaposition.

    I’m a peaceful and nice person. I think Taylor scared some of her fans, with all of the snake imagery. I apologize if I scared anyone with my writing on this thread. Was anyone scared? The mods said they got some complaints. They didn’t get into the specifics.

    I wanted to write in a style, that would bring out a feeling of what snakes are — and how human beings react to the sudden appearance of snakes; also how we react to the snake in an archetypal way. What does the snake mean to us, individually, as human beings?

    I had to say all that about my real life, just this one time, so everyone knows how incredibly nice I am, lol. I’m super nice, and this is my writing of Castaneda‘s cliff notes on the internet. I would like to continue with the thread. My next post will be about one of Taylor’s songs, if no one minds, maybe tomorrow or something....
     
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  2. Socrates

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    People have primal fears about snakes appearing. If you want to tap into a reaction-vein, there you go. I’m glad Taylor didn’t do anything with vampire imagery. You don’t want to mix vampires and zombies — just like you don’t want to mix snakes and skulls. In a metaphysical context: you don’t ever want to mix those two.

    Oh wait, Keith may have done that with a jacket recently. Keith Richards does what he wants. No one else can live by Keith’ s rules: That’s why he’s Keith. I think of Keith Richards’ ring as being like the skull of Adam. I’m stating that once, as with the “J” reference before: just once, within a metaphysical context.

    I have a skull ring in a drawer somewhere, because I’m a big Keith Richards fan, and because I’m totally into rock ‘n’ roll. Certain people can handle the snake imagery — in a metaphysical context; for instance: JLaw was seen last night on the Ellen show wearing a snake ring. It looked just like a T.S. Ring to me. She’s cool. Taylor is cool. I wonder if Ellen would ever wear a snake ring? I’m not saying you have to wear one to be cool.

    In my metaphysical opinion, it would be an incongruous hand that wears the two rings together. You know what I’m saying? They can have their snake rings. I have my skull ring. ‘Totally rock ‘n’ roll’ people can embrace those different rings, to varying degrees, in my metaphysical opinion, seemingly at will.

    I lied, because I said this post was going to be all about one of Taylor’s songs. Now this looks like another one of those stream-of-consciousness posts. I feel like I’m trying to write my way out of a snake pit right now. That was a “no pun intended” sentence.

    Taylor is calling her floor tickets “snake pit” tickets on her new tour. I just looked into the REP tour last night. I think I’m going to one show and sitting in the back. No more drinking for me after the Bob Dylan show. Tell Mark Olson ‘the man formerly known as the drunk man in the balcony’ says hello....

    That leaves more booze for Taylor and JLaw. I’ve had enough. I can still dance when I’m sober. Side note: that was a cool dinner jacket Mick was wearing in India recently. This is what I’m seriously doing right now: I’m listening to Taylor’s entire catalog, not in any order, just song-by-song on random. T.S. music rocks. I do this with The Stones and Bob music all the time. I’m in the T.S. Zone right now. There’s way more to her than some people think. Castaneda’s cliff notes signing off for now...
     
  3. Socrates

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    Taylor talking about Delicate in Reputation secret session • r/TaylorSwift
    Thanks for explaining what the “vocoder” thing does. :D

    Another great video was posted last night with “Shake It Off” playing in the background. The video featured the dancing away of constrictions. Beyonce working with Jack White created that dancing-energy of the real blues. It’s like they went full-circle with everything. I would like to hear a T.S./ White collaboration in the same vein as Beyonce’s “Lemonade.”
     
  4. Socrates

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    Taylor Swift v Keith Richards

    Keith, you’re not being very nice. And this new interview looks like a laundry list of complaints about my posts, right down to the Instagram cats.. I can’t even read the whole article. You have to have a UK email address to register with that site? I have some stuff I want to write about you and Quincy later on. I might. So let’s just stop this now.
     
  5. Socrates

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    No, I’m not crying right now while I’m listening to 1989. I have something in my eye....
     
  6. Socrates

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    Taylor is a powerful woman. I woke up this morning wondering if Keith Richards was trying to ruin me (just joking) Did I turn into Mick Jagger overnight? My life on the internet again... This stuff is usually part of my free entertainment life.

    Keith likes Ed Sheeran, too — one degree of separation — just saying. I think Keith is being mean. But look what Keith says about Mick. And he also says, “Mick is my best mate.” Maybe Taylor should think of this stuff as a badge of honor?

    Taylor has tried a new approach with her writing and image. Taylor is addressing the power imbalance of a patriarchal society’s darker side. I feel uncomfortable for Taylor on the cover of the REP CD. Does that hurt? It looks like it does.

    That’s what Taylor wanted me to feel, in my opinion. Pretty pic on The CD inset, she turns big images around. I believe REP is a statement about feminism. Women are totally ready to take over. All these chicks are going to rule the earth. And they’re still under the yoke, at this moment in history — weird time to be alive.

    Lots of other people thought the same thing I did, per comments on T.S. boards that I read. I think Taylor uses shock value to essentially do what Courtney Barnett did recently, when she tried a new approach with her own writing.

    They seem like a nice bunch of girls to me over on the T.S. boards. And sure, I don’t want to be the one dude hanging on Taylor’s message boards. Don’t call me Shirley. So here we are, Keith. You can talk about The Stones online all day, and people don’t think you’re weird. Well, maybe sometimes...

    I like posting about Taylor online. So I guess I’m weird. Keith, there are reggae influences on REP. You can still hear the blues behind the machines. Taylor writes about some deep stuff. Keith likes Lady Gaga. She wears a snake ring.

    You don’t have to worry about guys like Quincy, Keith and me. In my opinion, and I guess this is getting back to the metaphysics again: those other two guys are really complaining about the metaphysics and the music mixed together. Mmmm They didn’t complain when 1989 was the new music. They’re complaining about “the vibe.”

    The first thing I thought of when I looked at the official REP CD cover? Yeah, “That chain looks like it’s too tight.” A lot of the girls on the T.S. boards thought the same thing I did. Keith wears women’s clothing sometimes. Maybe Keith and me can think like girls. Quincy is the ultimate lady’s man, to the ladies who love him.

    “Look What You Made Me Do” is a vocal hook. Quincy Jones says, “we need songs - not hooks.” Well, “Satisfaction” is a hook. But here’s what happened: Taylor got too scary on track #6. The “Look What You Made Me Do” vocal-hook is an inverted “Satisfaction” hook, sort of...

    Without LWYMMD, REP is a safe follow-up to 1989. The LWYMMD-vibe also introduces a darker metaphysical content mixed-in with the art. For instance, without the ‘zombie in the graveyard’ pics, the Target exclusive CD / booklet, with all of the other color pics — that official T.S. merch — is incredibly nice, too — great overall package — then Taylor turns to “Thriller” for inspiration. Quincy Jones remembers how it went. Taylor, you're scaring everybody!

    Yeah, I think some of Taylor's critics are really saying: “Taylor got too scary.” It’s “the vibe” they don’t like. I don’t listen to “Dancing with Mr. D” all that often. ‘Goats Head Soup’ was what it was. I’m saying when you look at REP from another angle, it can all tell a chilling tale. The Target exclusive CD/magazine-thing, that whole thing... That tells another chilling tale, in poetry, paintings and pictures. Unintended use of alliteration there, with the p,p’s...

    “You’re gorgeous. I’m furious.” What could that mean? “This is the first generation that will be able to look back on their entire life story documented in pictures on the internet, and together we will all discover the after-effects of that.” - Taylor Swift REP liner notes.

    I think Taylor Swift is really schooling the boys right now. That’s what her new art is about. “Boys only want love if it’s torture.” Taylor uses big images to create paradigm shifts. She’s saying that boys are mean to her. Just like JLaw said recently that boys are mean to her too.


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  7. Socrates

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    :) Woke up remembering how I used to enjoy posting about Beyoncé everyday. Then I remembered that dude named Jay-Z. I hope Taylor gets married to Joe Alwyn. They’re a cool celebrity couple, like Jay-Z and Queen B. It’s fun to check these people on the internet at times.

    Although the Dua Lipa stuff in the press, related to snake emojis, etc., did freak me out a bit. That’s what I meant about “vibes.” Seems like the world at large has become too dependent on checking computers, on different levels. Probably we could all ask ourselves questions about how many minutes a day we spend checking computers in our leisure time.

    I hope Taylor has a long career, no matter what Keith says, lol. I would not like to be on Jack White’s **** list. Damn computers - I would totally hate that if it was true. Everybody has different opinions! I fear no evil. I have a lot of respect for Jack White as an artist. I have respect for all of the artists listed in this post. :)

    Well, I may post a “Lemonade” and “Reputation” comparative analysis in the spring, after the thaw. What a long winter this is. Hopefully other Taylor fans will add to this thread. I will also post a REP tour update this spring. I’m taking a break from the message boards for a while!:) Here’s Taylor’s new video for “Delicate”:

     
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  9. Aurora

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    "Babe" - Sugarland featuring Taylor Swift
     
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  10. BradOlson

    BradOlson Country/Christian Music Maven

    This song was written with Pat Monahan from Train for her Red album but it didn't make the cut.
     
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    Here is the music video for "Babe".
     
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  12. Plutonio

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    Nice to see a thread about a current singer. I was about to start one on Lana del Rey but I don’t think she has fans here. As for Taylor, I never cared for her, but she has projected this white-girl-hypocrisy especially when the whole Kim K/Kanye West happened. So I would consider myself one of the people who...don’t like her. But I won’t deny her talent as a songwriter , because she has it.
     
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  13. BradOlson

    BradOlson Country/Christian Music Maven

    Lana has lots of fans here including myself.
     
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  14. Wild Horse

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    I can definitely say I appreciate her. :agree:

    What's her music like? :D
     
  15. Plutonio

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    Now there are two of us! I may start a Lana thread...maybe she has more fans than expected.
     
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  16. Memph

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    That whole situation was tricky and I think a lot of the nuance was lost in the coverage of it.

    Apparently Taylor did joke about how "Kanye made her famous" when the two of them were reconciling but I take that more as her way of telling him that she's not really mad at him since she's not the one that looked bad at the 2009 VMAs and it did make her most famous outside of her target demographic (who probably all knew her by that point). It didn't hurt her career at the very least.

    But it's not as if she wouldn't have been successful without that interruption. Her first two albums were among the top-sellers of 2007-2009 (I think Fearless was already in the lead for #1 of 2009?). I think Love Story was the most successful country-pop cross-over single in decades?

    Her first reaction to Kanye reading her the lyrics and how him and Taylor "might still have sex" was

    Taylor Swift: "I'm like this close to overexposure."

    I think it's pretty obvious that she's not especially comfortable about the lyrics but she knows she's probably won't be able to talk Kanye out of it so she tries to play it cool in the hope that Kanye will still respect her like a friend and not take things too far with the lyrics. She's probably trying to encourage him to go with the interpretation that "despite my past mistakes, I've been able to salvage my relationship with Taylor and I think she might consider getting into a relationship with me", and can also be seen as his way of saying she's "desirable". She did promote the idea that your past mistakes should not define during her tour prior to this so I can see her being ok with that interpretation. His wording is obviously much less tactful but that's just the way it is with most rap music, you could argue that the message behind it is still the same and that's probably why she continued to play it cool.

    Also when she says
    "You honestly didn't know who I was before that. It doesn't matter that I sold 7 million of that album before you did that which is what happened, you didn't know who I was before that. "
    I think it's pretty obvious that she wants to make it clear to him that she was successful before the incident. Like yeah she might "owe him"... a little bit, but not that much.

    What we don't see with the bits of the phone call that were made public (and probably was not part of the call since her team have asked Kanye to release the whole thing) is the way Kanye tied it all together in the final version of the song, where he implies that what she owes him is the entirety of her career and not only that, but because she owes him her career he can demand her to have sex with her. That's a very different message from what she initially agreed to and I think that's she changed her stance.
     

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