Time for another indy mike's pick ONE tune per hour - howzabout 60's garage bands???

Yes very puzzling indeed! Promotion?, Fate?, who knows? Well...we sure love 'em!

 

Indy & Michael, There was so many bands like Chocolate Watch Band. A lot of bands fell through the cracks. No money behind them, no promotion (like Michael above me mention) or the masses just didn't pick up on them.

Joe

 

In the 60's I was in a few of them...

 

By 1969, garage was dying...sort of. Well, it was turning into things like Mountain("Mississippi Queen"); the innocence had been lost. Ironically, bubblegum music filled the gap to some degree, if not for long. This next dittie--from the spring of '69--comes near the end of the garage line, and it has that spirit, if not origins:

MAGIC SWIRLING SHIP: "Love In Your Eyes"

Released on Cadet 5642(also the Wildweeds label), this was Bobby Bloom's attempt to front his own band(he wrote and sang this one). Already having an association with bubblegum guys Jerry Kasenetz & Jeff Katz, he had them produce this one(remember the Super K label? That pair was always looking for an angle). Another obscure curio from the Ed Archives....

ED

 

Man this thread is making me drag out all of my Standells, Chocolate Watch Band and assortment of others. Anyway, I'm gong to go for one from the Rhino box set Nuggets II. And the winner is "Break It All" by Los Shackers. It's dance garage at it's finest.

 

The Seeds...-everything- they released

 

Whoa dad! Not so fast - did any of the groups you were in cut some vinyl??? If that's a yepper - can I have one, please???

 

I was in a few garage bands...all the demo's, 45's gone many years ago...I'm tryin to contact an ex-band member from 1967...last I heard, he had some of our recording's, etc. What a time it was... If by some miracle, I get a hold of a few...I'll let ya know...Cool stuff!

 

I saw the Chocolate Watchband open up for the Electric Prunes last November in San Francisco at the Great American Music Hall. Awesome show! (The 2nd time I've seen'em). The Watchband even did a cover of 'Take A Heart' by the Sorrows. Cool! The Prunes laid down the fuzz all night and Peter Lewis(of Moby Grape) guested on '7 & 7 Is'. Did I mention it was an awesome show?!!

 

Would that be "last November" as in 1967?

Jim W.

 

I wish!!

November 2002. The show was a part of the Pop Festival during the week of Nov. 16.

 

All the original members of the CWB?

 

Whoa dad again!!!! So, what were the names of the bands you played in? Any original grouchy garage growlers come from those groups?

 

Dave Aguilar(vocals), Tim Abbott(guitar) and Gary Andrijasevich(drums)are the original members. Alec Palao(Big Beat reissues fame) was playing bass for them.

 

Alec must have been in his glory! Cool

 

HUB KAPP AND THE WHEELS

Here's a cool garage band with a cool picture sleeve (AND a cool story behind its obtainment):
HUB KAPP & THE WHEELS were on CAPITOL (#5215), so this oddity was released around July 1964. They covered two songs, Larry Williams' "Bony Maronie," and the Everly Brothers' "Sigh, Cry, Almost Die." The weird part is: who are these strange dudes?? I've yet to see any reference to their existence in any 45 price guide, or mention in any rock n' roll book I've perused.
From the photo on the must-see-to-believe picture sleeve, they stand across a brick staircase, which looks familiarly like Janns Steps - from the campus of UCLA (a Los Angeles band perhaps?). Now for "the look": Hub Kapp frighteningly resembles Eddie Munster, with a raised Fabian pompadour with sguiggle down the forehead, and huge fake black eyebrows. He stands in front, sporting a short sleeve black bowling jacket, positioned at his folk (?) guitar, cut off at the hips in the photo. Behind him pose the three Wheels, one holding drumsticks, one with an electric guitar, and the other straddling his bass. The Wheels all sport shades and matching grey jackets with black shirts, slacks and boots.
Their sound is like "the Letterman meet the Seeds." Does anyone else have this record?
I bought the 45 w/ pic sleeve (both still in good shape) from a homeless man for a buck - all the while wondering if the guy was actually "the" Hub Kapp, who'd fallen on hard times, and was selling off his only copy of his own group's record. Neither side was going to put the Beatles out of business, though both shared the same label at the time. "Six Degrees of Hub Kapp & The Wheels" - can anyone shed light on this mystery group? Producer was Dave Axelrod.

 

Hub Kapp

This 45 was an early effort by the late great Mike Condello, a well-known
name in the 60s Arizona recording and television scenes. He also put out some amazing Beatles parodies/tributes later on as "Commander Condello's Salt River Navy Band" (a Sgt. Pepper tribute for sure). There is a local CD out with all of Condello's rock material (including the Hub Kapp tracks) that I believe is still available by mailorder from Metro Music.

 

Still wanna play, huh? This one could be in either this thread or my Canadian one that started the other day - The Great Scots (clad in kilts - gotta be mighty manly to pull that off!) did a swell version of I Ain't No Miracle Worker (which seems to be the garage band tune that always manages to turn out well, whomever lays it down on tape)... Dig it on The Great Lost Great Scots cd from Sundazed from tapes of Mr. Richard Delvy (Challengers kingpin - underrated producer fella IMHO)...

 

Girls in the garage??? You betcha - check out She - Wants a Piece of You on Big Beat/Ace CDWIKD 199 (another Nuggets From the Golden State series) - Outta Reach has spooky organ and a lotta baaaaaad attitude, dudes! Sliding towards psych here, but still got a nice steady pulse...

 

The final? Master List

13th Floor Elevators: You're Gonna Miss Me(jamesmaya)
13th Floor Elevators: Fire Engine(Stereoptic)
13th Floor Elevators: Reverberation(Ed)**
The Action: I'll Keep Holding On(Cm Wolff)
Davie Allan & The Arrows: Blue's Theme(Bob)
Randy Alvy & Green Fuz: Green Fuz(ZipGun99)
Amboy Dukes: Baby Please Don't Go(Indy)
American Breed: Step Out Of Your Mind(Bob)
Balloon Farm: A Question Of Temperature(Tim Neely)
Banshees: Project Blue(Indy)
Barbarians: You've Got To Understand(Ed)
Barbarians: Are You A Boy Or Are You A Girl(Jimbo)
Barbarians: Moulty(Bob)
Barry & The Remains: Why Do I Cry(Casino)
Barry & The Remains: Don't Look Back(Ed)
Barry & The Remains: Say You're Sorry(Casino)
Barry & The Remains: Diddy Wah Diddy(Ed)**
Beatles: I'm Down(Ed)
Beat-Nuts: Out In the Sun(Hey-O)(Ed)
Beau Brummels: Laugh, Laugh
Bees: Voices Green And Purple(Indy)
Lindy Blaskey & The Lavells: Le It Be(Indy)
Blendells: La La La La La(Ed)
Blue Cheer: Summertime Blues(Ed)
Blues Magoos: (We Ain't Seen)Nothin' Yet(Grant)
Blues Magoos: Tobacco Road(Ed)**
Blues Magoos: There's A Chance We Can Make It/Pipe Dream(Ed)**
Blues Project: No Time Like The Right Time(Ed)
Box Tops: The Letter(rjp)
Brigand: Will I Still Be Her Big Man(Audiodrome)
Brogues: But Now I Find(Indy)
Brogues: I Ain't No Miracle Worker(Indy)
Bubble Puppy: Hot Smoke & Sassafras(Pat)
Buckinghams: You Make Me Feel So Good(Joe Koz)
C.A. Quintet: Trip Thru Hell(Michael)
Cannibal & The Headhunters: Land Of 1000 Dances(jamesmaya)
Captain Beefheart & His Magic Band: Diddy Wah Diddy(Ed)
Cardinals: Hatchet Face(Indy)
Castaways: Liar, Liar(Ed)
Chancellors: Little Latin Lupe Lu(Bob)
Chartbusters: She's The One(Bob)
Chicago Loop: She Comes To Me(Bob)
Chocolate Watch Band: Gone And Passes By(Joe Koz)
Chocolate Watch Band: Milk Cow Blues(Indy)
Chocolate Watch Band: I'm Not Like Everybody Else(jamesmaya)
Chocolate Watch Band: I Ain't No Miracle Worker(Indy)
Chocolate Watch Band: She Weaves A Tender Trap(Joe Koz)
Chocolate Watch Band: Don't Need Your Lovin'(Indy)
Chocolate Watch Band: Sweet Your Thing(Joe Koz)
Chocolate Watch Band: Let's Talk Abotu Girls(Indy)
The Choir: It's Cold Outside(Bob)
The Choir: Any Way I Can(Michael)
The Chosen Few: I Think it's Time(Michael)
Clefs of Lavender Hill: Stop! - Get A Ticket(Ed)
Count Five: Psychotic Reaction(Jeff H)
Link Cromwell: Crazy Like A Fox(Stereoptic)
Cryan' Shames: Sugar & Spice/We Could Be Happy(Bob)
Cryan' Shames: Mr. Unreliable(Bob)
Cryan' Shames: It Could Be We're In Love(Bob)
Cryan' Shames: I Wanna Meet You(Bob)
Cyrkle: There's A Fire In the Fireplace(Michael)
Dartells: Hot Pastrami(Ed)
Daybreakers: Psychedelic Siren(Michael)
Deacons: Empty Heart(Joe Koz)
Dee Jay & The Runaways: Peter Rabbit(Ed)
Del-Vettes: Last Time Around(Bob)
D-Men: Don't You Know(Ed)
Bob Dylan: Mixed-Up Confusion(Joe Koz)
Easybeats: Friday On My Mind(CM Wolff)
Easybeats: Sorry(Joe Koz)
Easybeats: Slippin' And Slidin'(Indy)
Elastik Band: Spazz(Indy)
Electras: Action Woman(Indy)
Electric Prunes: I Had Too Much To Dream(Last Night) (jamesmaya)
Electric Prunes: Get Me To The World On Time(Indy)
Epic Splendor: It Could Be Wonderful/She's High On Life(Ed)*
E-Types: Love Of The Loved(Michael)
Everyday Things: Outcast(Joe Koz)
Fever Tree: San Francisco Girls(Ed)
Five Americans: I See The Light(Ed)
Five Americans: Evol - Not Love(Ed)
Five Americans: Good Times(Ed)
Five Americans: Western Union(joelee)
Five By Five: Fire(Bob)
John Fred & His Playboy Band: Judy In Disguise(rjp)
Free For All: Show Me The Way(Michael)
Front Page News: Thoughts 1967(Michael)
Max Frost & The Troopers: Shape Of Things To Come(Joe Koz)
Bobby Fuller Four: Let Her Dance(Ed)
Bobby Fuller Four: I Fought The Law(Ed)
Fun & Games: The Grooviest Girl In The World(Ed)
Gants: Road Runner(Ed)
Gary & The Nite Lites: I Don't Need Your Help(Ed)
Gentrys: Keep On Dancing(Ed)
Gentrys: Spread It On Thick(Bob)
Gestures: Run, Run, Run(BillH)
Golden Cups: Hey Joe(Ian)
Golliwogs: Fight Fire(Indy)
Grass Roots: Mr. Jones(Ballad Of A Thin Man) (Telefunken)
Groupies: Primitive(Indy)
The Guess Who?: Shakin' All Over(Ed)**
The Guess Who?: Hey Ho(What You Do To Me) (Ed)
The Guess Who?: It's My Pride(miike)
The Guess Who?: Til We Kissed(Bob)
Guilloteens: I Sit And Cry/Crying All Over My Time(Ed)
Hassles: You've Got Me Hummin'(Ed)
The Haunted: 1-2-5(ZipGun99)
Hombres: Let It Out(Let It All Hang Out) (Ed)
Hombres: It's A Gas(Ed)**
HP Lovecraft: I've Been Wrong Before(Michael)
Hub Kapp & The Wheels: Bony Maronie(Indy)
The Huck Finn: Two Of A Kind(Ed)*
Human Beinz: Nobody But Me(rjp)
Hysterics: Everything's There(rontokyo)
The Ides Of March: Roller Coaster(Indy)
The Illusion: Did You See Her Eyes(Bob)
Improper Bostonians: Out Of My Mind(Ed)*
Tommy James & The Shondells: Say I Am(What I Am)**
Jesters: Cadillac Man(Indy)
Jimmy & The Offbeats: I Ain't No Miracle Worker(Indy)
Jordan Bros.: Gimme Some Lovin'(Ed)*
Kenny & The Kasuals: Journey To Tyme(Indy)
Kingsmen: Louie, Louie(Dugan)
Kingsmen: Money(Ed)
Kingsmen: Death Of An Angel(Ed)**
Kit & The Outlaws: Midnight Hour(Ed)*
Kit Kats: Let's Get Lost On A Country Road(Ed)
Kit Kats: Won't Find Better Than Me(Michael)
Knaves: Leave Me Alone(Indy)
Knickerbockers: Lies(Ian)
Knickerbockers: One Track Mind(Ed)
Knickerbockers: Come On And Let Me(Michael)
Last Word: Can't Stop Loving You(Ed)
Leaves: Hey Joe(ZipGun99)
Left Banke: She May Call You Up Tonight(Ed)**
Lemon Drops: I Live In The Springtime(Lon)
Lemon Drops: It Happens Everyday(Lon)
The Litter: Action Woman(Pat)
Little Boy Blues: The Great Train Robbery(Indy)
Los Bravos: Black Is Black(rjp)
Los Bravos: Goin' Nowhere(Cm Wolff)
Los Shackers: Break It All(Joe Koz)
Love: My Little Red Book(Pat)
Love: My Flash On You(Joe Koz)
Love: 7 & 7 Is(Ed)
Luv'd Ones: Dance Kid Dance(Michael)
Lyres: I Want To Help You Ann(Stereoptic)
Lyrics: So What!!(Indy)
Magic Mushrooms: It's-A-Happening(Ed)
Magic Swirling Ship: Love In Your Eyes(Ed)*
Makers: Howl/All Night Long(rontokyo)
Mauds: Hold On(Bob)
MC5: I Can Only Give You Everything(Ed)
McCoys: Hang On Sloopy(Ed)**
McCoys: You Make Me Feel So Good(Bob)
McCoys: Come On Let's Go
McCoys: Fever(Ed)**
McCoys: Don't Worry Mother Your Son's Heart Is Pure(Ed)
Messengers: My Baby(Joe Koz)
Michael & The Messengers: Midnight Hour(Bob)
Michael & The Messengers: Romeo & Juliet(Ed)
Mops: Blind Bird(David Goodwin)
Mouse & The Traps: A Public Execution(Ed)
Mouse & The Traps: Maid Of Sugar(Indy)
Moving Sidewalks: 99th Floor(Michael)
Murphy & The Mob: Born Loser(Indy)
Music Explosion: Little Bit O'Soul(Dugan)
Music Machine: Talk Talk(Steve Hoffman)
Music Machine: The People In Me/Masculine Intuition(Ed)
Music Machine: Double Yellow Line(Ed)
The Nazz: Open My Eyes(Michael)
New Colony Six: I Confess(Bob)
New Colony Six: Love You So Much(Bob)
New Colony Six: Cadillac(Indy)
New Riders Of The Purple Sage: Dirty Business(Michael)
Nightcrawlers: Little Black Egg(Joe Koz)
Nobody's Children: Good Times(Indy)
Ohio Express: Beg, Borrow & Steal(Ed)
The Other Half: Mr. Pharmacist(Indy)
Outsiders: Gotta Leave Us Alone(Bob)
Outsiders: Haunted By Your Love(Indy)
The Pack: Next To Your Fire(Ed)*
Peanut Butter Conspiracy: It's A Happening Thing(Michael)
Peanut Butter Conspiracy: I'm A Fool(Ed)
People: I Love You(Grant)
Positively 13 O'Clock: Psychotic Reaction(Indy)
Preachers: The Zeke(Ed)*
Premiers: Farmer John(Ed)
Pretties: Come See Me(Indy)
Pretty Things: Rosalyn(Mudbone)
Primates: Knock On My Door(Audiodrome)
?(Question Mark)& The Mysterians: 96 Tears(Mudbone)
?(Question Mark)& The Mysterians: Midnight Hour(Ed)**
?(Question Mark)& The Mysterians: I Need Somebody(Ed)
Jimmy Rabbitt: My Girl(Indy)
Jimmy Rabbitt: Wishy Washy Woman(Indy)
Racket Squad: The Loser(Ed)*
Rare Breed: Beg, Borrow & Steal(Ed)
Paul Revere & The Raiders: Louie, Louie(Ed)
Paul Revere & The Raiders: Louie, Go Home(Ed)
Paul Revere & The Raiders: Over You(Ed)
Paul Revere & The Raiders: Just Like Me(Tim Neely)
Paul Revere & The Raiders: I'm Not Your Steppin' Stone(Stereoptic)
Paul Revere & the Raiders: The Great Airplane Strike(Pat)
Paul Revere & The Raiders: Let Me
Richard & The Young Lions: Open Your Door(PaulB)
Cliff Richard & The Shadows: Blue Turns To Grey(Bob)
Rolling Stones: Stoned(Joe Koz)
Rolling Stones: Surprise, Surprise(Joe Koz)
Romancers: Take My Heart(Ed)
Ronny & The Daytonas: Sandy(PaulB)
Mitch Ryder & The Detroit Wheels: Little Latin Lupe Lu(rjp)
Sam The Sham & The Pharaohs: Wooly Bully(Jimmy Cagoots)
Sam The Sham & The Pharaohs: Ju Ju Hand(Ed)
Sam The Sham & The Pharaohs: Lil Red Riding Hood(Stereoptic)
Sam The Sham & The Pharaphs: (I'm In With)The Out Crowd(Ed)
Seeds: Can't Seem To Make You Mine(Ed)
Seeds: Pushin' Too Hard(Ed)
Seeds: Mr. Farmer(Ed)**
Bob Seger & The Last Heard: Heavy Music(Indy)
Bob Seger & The Last Heard: Persecution Smith(Bob)
Shadows Of Knight: Gloria(Mudbone)
Shadows Of Knight: Oh Yeah(Ed)
Shadows Of Knight: Bad Little Woman/Gospel Zone(Bob)
Shadows Of Knight: I'm Gonna Make You Mine
Shadows Of Knight: Shake(Ed)
Shadows Of Knight: Night Bulb Blues(Joe Koz)
Shaggs: Foot Foot(Stereoptic)
The Sheep: Hide & Seek(Ed)*
The Sheep: I Feel Good(Ed)*
Shondells: Hanky Panky(Ed)
Sir Douglas Quintet: She's About A Mover(Steve Hoffman)
Sir Douglas Quintet: The Tracker(Bob)
Sir Douglas Quintet: Quarter To Three/She's Gotta Be Boss(Ed)
Sir Douglas Quintet: Mendocino(rjp)
Sir Walter Raleigh & The Coupons: Tomorrow's Gonna Be Another Day(Indy)
Sir Winston & The Commons: We're Gonna Love(Indy)
The Smoke: The Hobbit Symphony(Michael)
The Smoke: October Country(Michael)
Sonics: Psycho(Grant)
Sonics: Louie, Louie(Lon)
Sonics: The Witch(Michael)
Sonics: The Witch (Live) (Big Ed)
Sonics: He's Waitin'(Indy)
Sonics: Keep A Knockin'(Indy)
Sonics: Boss Hoss(Indy)
Sonics: Don't Believe In Christmas(Tim Neely)
Soul Survivors: Expressway To Your Heart(rjp)
Sounds Unlimited: You've Got Your Head On Backwards(Indy)
Southwest F.O.B.: Smell Of Incense(Ed)
Spades: You're Gonna Miss Me(Indy)
Sparkles: Ain't No Friend Of Mine(Indy)
Spooky Tooth: Evil Woman(Michael)
Spooky Tooth: I Am The Walrus(Michael)
Squires: Going All The Way(Indy)
Standells: Dirty Water(Gardo)
Standells: Rari(Stereoptic)
Standells: Sometimes Good Guys Dont' Wear White(Ed)
Standells: Our Candidate(Michael)
Standells: Try It(Indy)
Standells: Sunshine Superman(Joe Koz)
Standells: Little Red Riding Hood(Michael)
Standells: 19th Nervous Breakdown(Joe Koz)
Standells: Medication(Joe Koz)
Standells: Black Hearted Woman(Joe Koz)
Standells: Riot On Sunset Strip(Indy)
Starfires: Linda(Indy)
Stillroven: Hey Joe(Bob)
Stooges: I Wanna Be Your Dog(Ed)
Stooges: 1969(Michael)
Strangeloves: I Want Candy(Joe Koz)
Strangeloves: Cara-Lin(Ed)
Suburban 9 To 5: Elevator Operator(Bob)
Sweetgina: The Things To Come(Indy)
Swingin' Medallions: Double Shot(Of My Baby's Love) (rjp)
Swingin' Medallions: She Drives Me Out Of My Mind(Ed)
Swingin' Medalllions: I Found A Rainbow/Don't Cry No More(Ed)*
Syndicate Of Sound: Little Girl(Ed)
Syndicate Of Sound: Rumors(Ed)
Thee Midniters: Land Of 1,000 Dances(jamesmaya)
Them: Gloria(Larry Naramore)
Them: Baby Please Don't Go(Ed)**
Them: Call My Name(Joe Koz)
Third Booth: I Need Love(Bob)
Third Rail: Run Run Run(Bob)
Trashmen: Surfin' Bird(Indy)
Trashmen: Mind Your Own Business(Indy)
Troggs: Wild Thing(Ed)
Troggs: With A Girl Like You(Ed)
Troggs: I Can't Control Myself(Ed)
Troggs: Lost Girl(Joe Koz)
Trolls: Every Day And Every Night(Bob)
Ugly Ducklings: Gas Light(Indy)
Ugly Ducklings: Just In Case You're Wondering(Indy)
Underground Sunshine: Birthday(Bob)
Uniques: Let It Be(Indy)
Vagrants: Respect(Ed)
Vanilla Fudge: You Keep Me Hangin' On/Take Me For A Little While(Ed)
Ty Wagner: Slander(Audiodrome)
Wailers: Hang Up(Lon)
Wailers: Out Of Our Tree(Lon)
Warner Brothers: Lonely I(Indy)
Weeds: It's Your Time(Lon)
Wildweeds: No Good To Cry
Wildweeds: It Was Fun(While It Lasted) (Ed)
Woolies: Who Do You Love(Michael)
Wonders: That Thing You Do(Stereoptic)
Link Wray & His Raymen: Rumble(Pat)
Link Wray: Hidden Charms(Telefunken)
Yardbirds: Here 'Tis(Ed)
Yardbirds: Stroll On(Ed)
Yellow Balloon: Yellow Balloon(Ed)
Young Rascals: I Ain't Gonna Eat Out My Heart Anymore(Joe Koz)
Young Rascals: Good Lovin'(rjp)
Young Rascals: Mustang Sally(Ed)
Young Rascals: You Better Run(Joe Koz)
Zakary Thaks: I Need You(Indy)
Zakary Thaks: Bad Girl(Indy)

Impressive list, I would say. One asterisk* means the track was on a 45 I have but I know of no CD source. ** means a track I added at the last moment, though it's possible in a few instances I missed it and credit should go elsewhere. If so, sorry.

That about puts this one to bed, methinks.

ED

 

Ed, that's a lotta work you put into that list - thanx! Scary thing is, there's a mountain of tunes we could keep adding to this list... Speaking of adding, could you sneak Sir Winston and the Commons We're Gonna Love onto the list - wasn't that my thread starter a LOOOOONG list ago??? The Sonics made a lotta appearances, and hold onto yer hats if you love Tacoma's finest - Big Beat/Ace has their mitts on the original 2 tracks form Etiquette and is gonna put out STEREO Sonics tracks - peek at their site and check out the March new releases - the Etiquette comp will have The Sonics stuff in twin guns a' blazin' 2 ears at once sound!!!!! Short of the Rhino Northwest Nuggets vinyl with Boss Hoss in stereo, I don't think the stereo tapes have been used in a looooooooong time. More Sonics upgrade news might be in the works - I'll keep pestering and share the results!

 

Sir Winston is back on the list--it was on the first one I made; musta been typing too fast or something. But, yeah, there's room for more, and as you've doubtless noticed, I added a few we missed(or I did). Looks pretty good, though. Any chance we can get Steve to dabble a little? Ya know, L.A. guy and all, most of this stuff must seem so...unknown to him, though we can assume he knows who the Raiders and Rascals are

ED

 

Hopefully they will sound better than the Sonics sonic disaster ACE put out a few years back...!

 

I'm thinking that a lotta small label stuff could be licensed through Celebrity Licensing (the Challenge stuff immediately comes to mind) - this would be our best bet via Audio Fidelity, but without some decent charters to lure in the typical oldies buyer I don't think it's gonna happen. Steve's S&P label hasn't gotten to the point where tax write-off discs are needed just yet. I'm ready to write the liners when that time comes!

 

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you won't be disappointed - be patient and you'll be pleasantly surprised!