4k Discs -12/26/2020 Are they worth investing in?

Discussion in 'Visual Arts' started by jojopuppyfish, Dec 26, 2020.

  1. Tim Lookingbill

    Tim Lookingbill Alfalfa Male

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    Is there a problem wearing your glasses when watching HDtv?

    I have to wear my reading glasses all the time when I'm on the computer and watching my 32 in. Samsung HDtv. No discomfort and everything appears sharp. The price of making a lifetime of good decisions that allowed you to get this old!

    Here's to gettin' it good before you're too old to enjoy it!
     
  2. How old are you, Tim? Because my uncle is 71 and he's made almost nothing but bad choice. :laugh: But he's happy!
     
  3. Manapua

    Manapua Forum Resident

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    I can see the TV screen okay without glasses and my eyes tend to get fatigued with prolong use so I generally just use them for reading computer screens. Even when I do watch and wear I don't notice a big difference between the two formats. Maybe I should clarify that my 1080 blus look perfectly fine to me but I do get the 4Ks when a great deal presents itself. Lots of good opportunities over the last few weeks.
     
  4. CDV

    CDV Forum Resident

    Sounds like a used and/or returned item sold for extra money. Double win for them.
     
  5. Tim Lookingbill

    Tim Lookingbill Alfalfa Male

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    So what do you mean by your statement about your eyesight continuing to diminish? Diminish in what way?
     
  6. I think they would be pretty much f*cked if they did that, though. They know their clientele, and they know how anal they are about A/V. One slip like that could ruin their rep forever, and harm their relationship with LG for that matter. They know they would never get away with it. It's really a small A/V world, but I'll let you know if I find a snickers rapper inside the box. ;)
     
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  7. CDV

    CDV Forum Resident

    Sure, it is your money. I would never voluntarily agree for anything like this. To me, if it is not factory-sealed, it is used.
     
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  8. Laservampire

    Laservampire Down with this sort of thing

    Hope you like film grain! It looks great, but hooooo boy is it grainy.
     
  9. Technically, yes, it would now be used. It's like buying an expensive sports car, though, and not wanting it stock - people do it all the time - they pay for the car and whatever add-ons they want; the mechanic and body folks work on the package, and they might even deliver it to your doorstep, but it's going to have miles that you didn't put on it. Of course you could drive the car for a day before taking it back to the dealer, but I just don't have that luxury, since there's nobody within almost a thousand miles of me who can calibrate for HDR. That sucks.
     
  10. Oatsdad

    Oatsdad Oat, Biscuits, Abbie & Mitzi: Best Dogs Ever

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    Some more! :)

    -Aliens
    -Se7en
    -Patton
     
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  11. Oatsdad

    Oatsdad Oat, Biscuits, Abbie & Mitzi: Best Dogs Ever

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    Sony seems to leave grain alone more than any of the others. Pretty much all the grainiest 4Ks I own are from Sony: "Ghostbusters", "Close Encounters", "Dr. Strangelove", etc.
     
  12. thetman

    thetman Forum Resident

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    again some blu-rays compared to the same 4K movie can be minimal. Example: Watched Transformers the last Knight. Both discs are outstanding. The edge goes to the 4K for colors.
    The biggest difference I usually see is deeper blacks ( sometimes can really darken the picture too much during dark scenes) and the HDR.
    Colors displayed right in HDR really standout in a good 4K disc. Sometimes blinding ( in a good way). Watched DR. Strange 4K the weekend. Definite improvement over the blu-ray.
    Also soundtrack was improved with Atmos which the blu-ray did not have when released. Also I think most recent 4K players do a god job of up-converting standard blu-rays.
     
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  13. mdm08033

    mdm08033 Senior Member

    The black levels and colors on the Skyfall UHD disc were jaw dropping. Bond’s arrival at the casino in Macau was the scene. I’ve never seen blacks and bright colors like that outside of an AMC Dolby Cinema or Cinemark XD theater.
     
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  14. Oh and also, when you get a precalibrated TV like this in, you go to the settings and note that it should have no more than 200hrs on it, since that is the break-in period, and how long they've kept it running. Anymore than 200hrs would be a red flag, yes.
     
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  15. Laservampire

    Laservampire Down with this sort of thing

    I think Sony's graininess on their 4K releases is mostly down to their HDR grading being much more intense than others.
     
  16. SamS

    SamS Forum Legend

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    What does grain have to do with HDR?
     
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  17. Laservampire

    Laservampire Down with this sort of thing

    Say you boost the brightness of the whites in an overall scene (where part of the sky is white clouds), at the same time you're also unavoidably boosting all of the white specks of the film grain along with it. The grainier the film, the more obvious it becomes.

    Ghostbusters • US Ultra HD Blu-ray vs. US Mastered in 4K Blu-ray
     
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  18. Tim Lookingbill

    Tim Lookingbill Alfalfa Male

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    Wow! That's amazingly bad image quality for a film negative in both BD and 4K.

    When I switch from BD to 4K on that screencap, it has the same effect I get when I'm adding noise reduction along with sharpening on a low lit high ISO capture on my DSLR camera and I'm left cleaning it up in Adobe Camera Raw because I had to underexpose to preserve the highlights.

    I've got DVD's of movies shot in '85 on film such as "After Hours" that look better than those screencaps of "Ghostbusters".

    Thanks for posting the comparison.
     
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  19. If you love classic cel animation, check out Space Adventure Cobra: The Movie on UHD from DiscoTek. By far one of the best HDR efforts released so far. The anime movie's vibrant animation could never be reproduced in the regular color space found on Blu-ray. Gorgeous presentation.
     
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  20. cdcollector87

    cdcollector87 Forum Resident

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    Older movies might benefit from 4K more. I don't think it's worth it personally. They cost quite a bit more, hard to find cheap used and the players are still expensive. I'm fine with regular Blu-rays.
     
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  21. jhm

    jhm Forum Resident

    Personally, if you have a good 4K set, I think it's very much worth it. In my experience it's been pretty easy to buy common titles used for under $20 (I've purchased many for around $15). There seem to be a LOT of people out there that buy these combo packs just for the downloadable content and then sell off the 4K UHD and standard Blu Ray discs. I should point out that I'm only "upgrading" titles I already owned on Blu Ray for a select few that I really love. Most of them are films I didn't own already and the package includes both a UHD Blu and a standard Blu. For the titles that I already owned, they range between mild to major upgrades to be honest. My wife is a fan of the Brendan Fraser Mummy movies. The first two installments look absolutely fantastic on UHD Blu Ray. Both the detail and the range of colors are significantly improved compared to the Blu Ray. When Predator was first released on Blu Ray, many folks complained about the level of grain. Then, they came out with a "Hunter Edition" that DNRed away all the grain, leaving everything looking waxy. While the film will never make anyone say "wow" (because of the film stock used), they struck a very nice balance between natural grain and a clearer picture on the UHD disc.

    So far, the best 4K discs I own are:

    Star Trek - Into Darkness (the scenes shot in IMAX look like moving photographs - incredible)
    The Mummy & The Mummy Returns
    Star Wars Original Trilogy (yeah, they're the special editions, but it's the best these films have ever looked IMHO)
    Black Panther (the car chase scene with the neon colors against the inky blacks looks stunning)

    I'm sure there are more but without looking at the collection, it's all I can think of at the moment. I will agree that the niche titles are pretty expensive. I think the market for physical media is shrinking, so they are squeezing those of us that still want a physical copy. Until streaming gets better overall (some services are better than others), physical media is currently the best way to get the highest quality video.
     
  22. Oatsdad

    Oatsdad Oat, Biscuits, Abbie & Mitzi: Best Dogs Ever

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    I wasn't impressed by the 2 "Mummy" 4Ks you mention at all. Both had issues! :sigh:
     
  23. jhm

    jhm Forum Resident

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  24. FACE OF BOE

    FACE OF BOE Forum Resident

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    I was in a branch of Richer Sounds, London 2 years ago and looked at the 4K TV’s they had displayed on the wall. Then I looked down below them and saw piles of their instore magazine. The headline? “8k HD TV’s Are On Their Way!” I found it very amusing!
     
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  25. alexpop

    alexpop Power pop + other bad habits....

    I see what you did there.
     
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