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A Honeymooners Lost Episode (Ring Salesman)...HAS BEEN COLORIZED!

Discussion in 'Visual Arts' started by Frank Gannucci, Nov 19, 2020.

  1. Frank Gannucci

    Frank Gannucci Well-Known Member Thread Starter



    I am going to record this before it gets pulled.
     
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  2. Veronica Mars

    Veronica Mars Well-Known Member

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    And it looks like splagooie!
     
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  3. Hanglow

    Hanglow Forum Resident

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    watching this makes you appreciate they finally ended up with Audrey Meadows :agree:
     
  4. Vidiot

    Vidiot Now in 4K HDR!

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    You can't colorize **** B&W kinescopes and have them come out well. They look like crap in B&W; they're still gonna look like crap in color. This is haaaaaaaaarible.

    Now, if they colorized any of the Classic 39 episodes actually shot on sharp, 35mm negative film... those actually might look OK, provided they spent a lot of time and money on them. Which I tend to doubt they'll do.
     
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  5. Kyle B

    Kyle B Forum Resident

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    I don’t understand why someone bothered with this.
     
  6. Avenging Robot

    Avenging Robot Forum Resident

    It looks like someone coloured outside of the lines. If I ever need to self-induce a headache I'll watch on repeat.
     
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  7. RayS

    RayS A Little Bit Older and a Little Bit Slower

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    I'm waiting for the 3-D version (and yes, I do have a 3-D refrigerator).
     
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  8. Jack Lord

    Jack Lord Forum Resident

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    Looks pretty strange. Jackie looks thinner- is that a result of the colorization?

    Who is the actress playing Alice?
     
  9. showtaper

    showtaper Concert Hoarding Bastard

    From wikipedia:

    The Honeymooners originally appeared as a sketch on the DuMont Network's Cavalcade of Stars, with the role of Alice played by Pert Kelton (1907–1968). When his contract with DuMont expired, Gleason moved to the CBS network where he had The Jackie Gleason Show, and the Alice role went to Audrey Meadows because Kelton had been blacklisted. According to playwright Arthur Miller, a family friend, writing many years later in his autobiography Timebends: A Life, extensive inquiries finally revealed that her blacklisting was due to the fact that her husband Ralph had, many years earlier, marched in a May Day parade. “Ralph, I knew, had absolutely no leftist connections whatever but had simply thrown himself in with a gang of actors protesting whatever it was that year, and Pert had never even voted in her life”.
     
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  10. Veronica Mars

    Veronica Mars Well-Known Member

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    Vincent Furnier.
     
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  11. Frank Gannucci

    Frank Gannucci Well-Known Member Thread Starter

    Pert Kelton is Alice here.
     
  12. johnny q

    johnny q Forum Resident

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    And someone asked him why the singers name was Alice....
     
  13. Brodnation

    Brodnation The Future Never Dies because Tomorrow Never Knows

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    Low-res compressed footage run through automatic colourization software. In other words. Garbage in, slightly altered garbage out.
     
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  14. Vidiot

    Vidiot Now in 4K HDR!

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    That's essentially what colorization is: it's another layer of picture that's superimposed on top of the image. If they don't synchronize and composite it exactly right, it looks like they're coloring outside the lines (literally).

    I think with perfect B&W source material, it's possible to do pretty good colorization, but you'd have to spend a ton of time and money to get it done. And morally, this falls into the "just because we can doesn't mean we should" area. As I said before, it ain't gonna happen with crappy 1950s kinescopes.
     
  15. The Wanderer

    The Wanderer Seeker of Truth

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    What exactly is the purpose of colorizing this (no purpose)?
     
  16. Frank Gannucci

    Frank Gannucci Well-Known Member Thread Starter

    Well it’s to see what the episode looks like in color. It’s a novelty. I recorded it so now I have it saved.
     
  17. Dillydipper

    Dillydipper Sultan Of Snark

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    What is the purpose of painting your house yellow, when all others on the block are green?

    Perhaps, like most practitioners of craft, the person who did it just wanted to see if he could do it, how it would turn out, and whether he could get better at the craft through practice.

    Or, he could had just done it to irritate people who have no affinity for the sentence above. It's not like the original is gone or anything.
     
  18. The Wanderer

    The Wanderer Seeker of Truth

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    Irrelevant analogy.

    So the practitioner did the work pro bono. Makes sense to me.
     
  19. cloggedmind

    cloggedmind Dr. Do-Very-Little

    But, it's "Re-Masteredized"!

    In this case, it's a lame attempt to try to build up a YouTube channel and monetize it using free software and old films that one can presume or pretend are all public domain.

    Taking old, blurry Digi-View dvd's, adding blobs of flickering orange color and dumping the lo-rez files into a hi-rez container doth not equal 4k HD, as this and so many other YouTubers claim.

    Aaaitch-Deee, my foot!
     
  20. Dillydipper

    Dillydipper Sultan Of Snark

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    I don't even know whether the practitioner did the work pro bono, so that's irrelevant as well.

    I was just sticking up for the notion that using a legitimate craft of colorization on a years-in-public-domain sample, has no reason to make anybody judgmental, just because they have the notion that colorization is "the devil".
     
  21. The Wanderer

    The Wanderer Seeker of Truth

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    I never said and do not think that colorization is the devil; I do believe that in most cases it is unnecessary and pointless, which is in no way judgmental.
     
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  22. KevinP

    KevinP Forum introvert

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    No, there's a handful of episodes where he's remarkably thin. I've never watched all the episodes in chronological order, but I assume from this that they're mostly the earliest ones.
     
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