ATLANTIC / ATCO vinyl labels and deadwax - what do the codes mean?

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by TLMusic, May 5, 2012.

  1. tubesandvinyl

    tubesandvinyl Forum Resident

    King Curtis!!! That's a great record tlmusic!!!
     
  2. saundr00

    saundr00 Bobby

    Wow. Totally missed this thread. Thanks to all for the great info herein.
     
  3. AaronW

    AaronW Senior Member

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    I'm not sure of what services they offered besides record pressing. Below is a picture of an Abbey test pressing from 1960. Just found this thread: http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=266761

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  4. McLover

    McLover Senior Member

    A note: Philips Recording Corp could cut lacquers from client supplied tapes as well as complete metalwork and pressings.
     
  5. James Glennon

    James Glennon Senior Member

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    The 'ab' in the deadwax I have seen on Layla and some Allman Brothers LPs looks like a lower case a with a capital B or 3 (handwritten). Some of them have PR (Presswell) in the deadwax as well.

    JG
     
  6. AaronW

    AaronW Senior Member

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    Quoted from the YES vinyl pressings thread:

    "PR in deadwax = Philips
    PR on label = Presswell
    ...and apparently records that were pressed at Philips are designated by "RI" (Richmond, Indiana) on the labels."
     
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  7. MusicIsLove

    MusicIsLove formerly CSNY~MusicIsLove

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    Since the 80s haven't been addressed yet, which are generally preferred, -AR or -SP? Also, I have a CSNY -American Dream, -SP, with 'masterdisk' in the dead wax. What is it and is it a good thing?
     
  8. john lennonist

    john lennonist There ONCE was a NOTE, PURE and EASY...

    "Also on Allied Records pressings, the cutting letter is replaced with a handwritten delta symbol."


    In my experience, if the delta (aka triangle) symbol is in the deadwax, the vinyl is usually a Monarch pressing.

    Am I wrong about this?

    Or is this something specific to Atlantic/ATCO pressings (i.e. the delta [aka triangle] symbol is in the deadwax) is an Allied Records pressing, whereas on other labels, it does indeed indicate it's a Monarch pressing,

    :confused:
     
  9. W.B.

    W.B. The Collector's Collector

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    Pre-1979, any pressing of Atlantic or Atco LP's and 45's with a 'delta' triangle was indeed Monarch ('MO'). However, after West Coast pressing shifted to Allied ('AR') following WEA's acquisition of that plant, not long afterwards delta triangles began appearing on those pressings (though the numerical sequence may've differed from the numerical codes Monarch used). If a 45 styrene pressing of a post-1980 Atlantic or Atco release has the delta, rule of thumb is usually that it's Allied.
     
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  10. MusicIsLove

    MusicIsLove formerly CSNY~MusicIsLove

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    The delta does indeed indicate monarch. I have an ATCO 'The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway' with -MO on the label and the delta in the dead wax.
     
  11. -Ben

    -Ben Senior Member

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    Correction

    The first two numbers on the label code do not indicate year of release. They indicate the year Atlantic first received source (tape) and started working on mastering. In most cases the years are the same. In others, as in the case of your example, not so.

    The eponymous debut, Led Zeppelin, was released in the US during the tour on 12 January 1969. The UK release date was 31 March 1969. Label code: ST-A-681461
     
  12. TLMusic

    TLMusic Musician & record collector Thread Starter

    Fantastic information, W.B. Thank you for helping us!


    I had wondered when Atlantic shifted from Monarch to Allied, and thanks for explaining that.
     
  13. TLMusic

    TLMusic Musician & record collector Thread Starter

    Excellent, thank you for the correction! Soon, we'll have every label and deadwax code completely deciphered!
     
  14. MusicIsLove

    MusicIsLove formerly CSNY~MusicIsLove

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    Anyone?
     
  15. john lennonist

    john lennonist There ONCE was a NOTE, PURE and EASY...


    So the switch to Allied Records pressings (with the delta [aka triangle] symbol is in the deadwax) was only on Atlantic and Atco vinyl, or on all WEA vinyl?

    And, post 1979, any other labels with delta (aka triangle) symbols in the deadwax indicates they were pressed by Monarch?


    Boy am I :confused:
     
  16. motorcitydave

    motorcitydave Enlightened Rogue In Memoriam

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    We still don't know who RG is! :D
     
  17. TLMusic

    TLMusic Musician & record collector Thread Starter

    Yes.






    There's also that mysterious "W" in the deadwax. Sometimes it's surrounded by dots. Anyone know what the "W" stands for?
     
  18. W.B.

    W.B. The Collector's Collector

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    Yeah, it would be confusing. But I do have Allied pressings of Capitol 45's from the 1986-88 period (after Capitol ceased pressing their own vinyl) which had delta symbol as well as the logo used by Allied after WEA's acquisition. 'AR' pressings began creeping up c.1978-79 on the other WEA labels, namely Warners' itself, and then Elektra/Asylum.
     
  19. GroovinGarrett

    GroovinGarrett Mrs. Stately's Garden

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    My copy of Dusty in Memphis is ST-A-681480-MG, and also has MG in the dead wax. The MG had me puzzled but W.B. has the answers. Looks like I have an MGM pressed original from '68. :)
     
  20. TLMusic

    TLMusic Musician & record collector Thread Starter

    Thank you for noticing that! :righton:
     
  21. TLMusic

    TLMusic Musician & record collector Thread Starter

    UPDATED LABEL CODES (as of 6/29/12)

    Record label codes (the letters after "ST")

    A = Atlantic Records
    C = Atco
    CAP = Capricorn
    CT = Cotillion
    FC = Famous Charisma
    SS = Swan Song
    AS = Asylum
    MC = Manticore



    Pressing plant codes for LPs:

    PR = Presswell Records Mfg. Co., Ancora, NJ (they handled most of Atlantic's LP's during much of this period)
    LY = Shelley Products, Huntington Station, NY
    SP = Specialty Records Corp., Olyphant, PA
    MO = Monarch Record Mfg. Co., Los Angeles, CA
    PL = Plastic Products, Inc., Memphis, TN
    RI = PRC Recording Corp., Richmond, IN
    AR = Allied Record Co., Inc., Los Angeles, CA
    CT or CTH = Columbia, Terra Haute, IN
    CP = Columbia (Pitman, NJ)
    CS or CSM = Columbia (Santa Maria, CA; very infrequently)
    MG = MGM Record Mfg. Division in Bloomfield, NJ (a brief period in late 1968)
     
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  22. MusicIsLove

    MusicIsLove formerly CSNY~MusicIsLove

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    I saw a Stephen Stills 2 LP with a - SO suffix. What does that mean?
     
  23. Jody

    Jody Active Member

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    It was no doubt pressed in 1969, as the record was released in March of 1969. As mentioned in post #61 the code probably indicates when Atlantic began working on the master tapes.
     
  24. GroovinGarrett

    GroovinGarrett Mrs. Stately's Garden

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    Atlanta, GA
    Yeah, an original from '69. Either way it's a decade before my existence!

    Thanks for the clarification. :)
     
  25. Mike in OR

    Mike in OR Through Middle-earth...onto Heart of The Sunrise

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    After catching up on this thread, all I can say is W.B. you continue to amaze...great stuff.
     

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