Beatles’ Carnival of Light: Exaggerated myth of greatness?

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Gill-man, Aug 11, 2019.

  1. Gill-man

    Gill-man Forum Resident Thread Starter

    I mean, the way it’s talked about and longed for by fans, you’d think there was another Hey Jude in the vaults! Yet out of everyone who’s heard it, none of them really have anything great to say about it. None of them are claiming that it’s some unheard Beatles masterpiece. They’ve said the opposite. So why can’t we accept that? Why are we treating it like some holy relic? Why are we exaggerating its greatness and importance?
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  2. Chemguy

    Chemguy Forum Resident

    Who’s we? I’m sure not.
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  3. akmonday

    akmonday Forum Resident

    berkeley, ca
    have a feeling it's someting like liverpool sound collage; how many people listened to that more than a handful of times?
  4. lou

    lou Senior Member

    I don’t know anyone who thinks or expects it to be great. No one has claimed that. Is it important? An avant garde Music piece by Paul during the Sgt Pepper era, by the most influential and famous band of the 20th century? Yes I would say it’s important, as almost any session scrap by the Beatles is important as a piece of their history and the insight it may give us into their working methods and their aesthetic.
  5. Chuckee

    Chuckee Forum Resident

    Upstate, NY, USA
    I think most would just like to hear it, not sure many are expecting greatness, might be interesting.

    BOZMAN Forum Resident

    The bottom line is that if the Beatles camp thought it was worth releasing, it would have been out by now.
  7. The Elephant Man

    The Elephant Man Forum Resident

    It is an unreleased masterpiece! It may be the holy grail that the Crusaders were looking for.
    I've petitioned the pope to exert his influence on Apple Corps to force them to release this holy relic by century's end.
    The Vatican did name 'Revolver' the greatest album of all-time! They must have an 'in' with the Apple powers that be.

    Mark Lewisohn wrote in The Beatles Sessions book that when he heard this song for the first time, he cried
    because he realized this song was the foundation of the new millennium's direction and that the world would
    become a different place once it heard this masterpiece.*

    *From the book 'Fictitious Beatles quotes attributed to Mark Lewisohn' by Steve Gannon,
    St. Esmeralda Press, 1993.
  8. GreenDrazi

    GreenDrazi Truth is beauty

    Atlanta, GA
    Why are you exaggerating?
  9. Grunge Master

    Grunge Master 8 Bit Enthusiast

    I just want to hear it because I've heard about it for so long. I don't expect it to be great; in fact, I'm pretty sure that it's far from great, as the few people that have heard it have said as much. And it probably isn't that important either, nor will it reveal something about The Beatles that we never knew before. It's more for curiosity's sake.
  10. Don't care if I hear it or not..and I'm a Beatles fan.
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  11. Arnold Grove

    Arnold Grove Senior Member

    What is humorous is that a couple of hundred club patrons actually heard "Carnival Of Light" back in 1967 and no one knew. Maybe Mark Lewisohn has finally found and interviewed some of these patrons. Will any one of them say it was "great"?
  12. Danby Delight

    Danby Delight Forum Resident

    Show examples of people who claim it's a lost masterpiece. For best effect, do so in one of the five dozen other threads about "Carnival of Light."
  13. Vangro

    Vangro Forum Resident

    Because he's trying to get as many replies as possible to his latest thread?
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  14. Blue Cactus

    Blue Cactus Forum Resident

    Doubtful if anyone there at the time listened to the track with both ears.
  15. Vangro

    Vangro Forum Resident

    They listened with their entire bodies, man.
  16. Kevin j

    Kevin j The 5th 99

    Seattle Area
    Another “hey Jude”? Nah, it can’t be THAT bad.
  17. Mike Visco

    Mike Visco Forum Resident

    Newark, NJ
    I personally love the hybrid Rev Take 20, and would considerate a great Beatle alt-take/outtake-combining a mainstream song with an avante-garde ending. There was structure and composition. A pure sound collage-not sure what my take would be-just would like to at least hear it once. Doesn't make it great.
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  18. MPLRecords

    MPLRecords Owner of nine copies of Tug of War

    I've never heard anyone refer to it as great. The attraction to it lies within its mystery. That's all.
  19. Diego Lucas

    Diego Lucas Forum Resident

    Well, could be a boring track, but the legend of this track makes me curious to listen this at least once in my life
  20. rswitzer

    rswitzer Forum Resident

    Golden, CO USA
    They (the fabs) may be smart by leaving it as a mystery. It gets a lot of interest because virtually no one has heard it. Release it and have deemed crap seems like a bad idea.
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  21. jeddy

    jeddy Forum Resident

    love the song title!

    it would make a great band name

    never heard the tune so …….
  22. Slightly off topic but....
    Off the top of your heads can anyone instantly recall that 12 bar whatchacallit from 'Anthology 2' ?
    Totally forgettable. This would be too.
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  23. dance_hall_keeper

    dance_hall_keeper Forum Resident

    I'm currently reading this.
    From the description of it, it's is far from being a "masterpiece".
  24. Chuckee

    Chuckee Forum Resident

    Upstate, NY, USA
    The version on bootleg is worse, it's longer.
  25. Elliottmarx

    Elliottmarx Always in the mood for Burt Bacharach

    Los Angeles
    Fairly certain that Carnival of Light will be unlistenable and will be heard by very few people more than twice.

    I have never heard anyone with a different view. Absolute hogwash and click-bait to pretend that any of us think it will be a musical masterpiece.

    However, the fact that not even a second of it has been heard - is really a masterpiece of secrets keeping. Even governments fail to keep documents out of prying eyes. The amount of security protecting Carnival of Light is stunning, and again a masterpiece of protective custody.

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