Bob Dylan: The 1966 Live Recordings - Sony 36-CD box-set - November 11

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Richard--W, Sep 27, 2016.

  1. Tribute

    Tribute Forum Resident

    I think the search feature allows you to search for a phrase (maybe Like a Rolling Stone) within one thread, and then maybe the right post will be found
     
  2. Somebody Naked

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    I don't know of any others. Although there's the Cardiff/Newcastle mix-up. The final LARS, to me, always sounded like the final night, I have to say. He introduces the Hawks, he says they're not playing any more songs in England, and he sounded exactly as stoned he did on the bootleg acoustic set from the same night. I'm still amazed that he survived after that tour: he sounds absolutely at the end.
     
  3. DeeThomaz

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    Thanks!

    In retrospect, it’s impressive the fan/bootleg community was able to be correctly identify almost all of the performances. As I recall from Paul Cable’s book, there was confusion about the exact dates of certain performance at that early period of Dylan tape collecting, but over time most everything seemed to get sorted out (until, as you point out, Sony created more confusion with their Cardiff/Newcastle swap!).

    And I agree COMPLETELY that final LARS just sounds unmistakably like a finale to the whole tour. Guess we didn’t need a weatherman to tell us which way the wind was blowing. Back when it first came into general circulation (on Genuine Bootleg Series Take 2, as I recall) I believe it was correctly dated, so I wonder how it later came to be erroneously believed that it was actually from the earlier show?
     
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  6. Vaughan

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    Amazon sometimes drop the price on this set. I bought it, new, from Amazon UK for £23 on 03/19/18!

    I would note - it's a monster set. It ships in a cube with a lift-off top. The booklet, sadly, is weak.
     
  7. rihajarvi

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    that is without a shadow of a doubt the best deal in the history of mankind

    and this current one ain't bad either
     
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  8. Vaughan

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    Indeed, at the current price it's a steal.
     
  9. supermd

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    Serious question: what is up with Dylan's voice (both singing and speaking) on this tour? He sounds so out of it. Is it drugs? Listening to the Halloween 1964 show and Real Royal Albert Hall back to back makes this such a striking difference.
     
  10. TimeandTempo

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    Heroin
     
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  11. JuanTCB

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    I went to a Q&A with Alderson when the box set came out and at the reception afterwards, asked him point blank "What was Bob on during that tour? Heroin?" He replied that Bob was only drinking wine and taking speed (albeit constantly) but that Danko and Manuel were already heroin addicts, or at least using regularly on that tour.

    I'd bet that in addition to being totally off his tits on booze and uppers he was just completely mentally, physically, creatively, and emotionally fried. Plus, he's never been a stranger to vocal affectations. Combine those factors with the ongoing battle against the audiences and I think what we're hearing in Bob's voice is a combination of defense mechanism, boredom, utter contempt, and just messing with their expectations.
     
  12. Richard--W

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    The Philharmonic 1964 concert was atypical of Dylan's voice. His voice would
    climb a couple of octaves higher whenever he shared the stage with Joan Baez.
    I can't stand the sound of his voice in that show. Compare it to the Royal Festival
    Hall concert from the previous May 1964 and the first U.K. concert in April 1965.
    There's continuity in the voice. But Philharmonic Hall is not to be used as a
    measure of Dylan's voice.

    I would say that's a reasonable appraisal. Add to the above that he really was in
    good voice on the 1966 tour and load a tonnage of the above on top of it.

    Alderson was an observant outsider and an insider at the same time. I believe him.

    What else did he say, about anything in general, about recording Dylan?

    Were any of Dylan's people in attendance or had they froze him out?

    Did they give Alderson the box-set or did he have to buy it?

    Did you take any pictures at the reception?
     
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  13. JuanTCB

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    @Richard--W

    Alderson was an observant outsider and an insider at the same time. I believe him.


    He definitely seemed pretty ego-free and very relaxed and matter-of-fact about things, yet also extremely detail-oriented. I couldn't detect an agenda at all, really.

    What else did he say, about anything in general, about recording Dylan?

    Here's a link to the Q&A: (my question is at about 40:55 - I think it had to do with the siege mentality on the tour or something.) But I remember he did get pretty technical early on in the discussion.

    Were any of Dylan's people in attendance or had they froze him out?

    Possibly in that bunch of aging Village hipsters! Sean Wilentz led the discussion, so that should give you a good idea re: the demographic. I was one of the few people there under 65.

    Did they give Alderson the box-set or did he have to buy it?

    I have no idea but I'm assuming he was given a case or two given that he played such a pivotal role in the whole process. And since he was interviewed for the promo materials, I think it's safe to say that he was fully in the corporate loop here and was duly compensated.

    Did you take any pictures at the reception?

    No - I was too busy laying waste to the open bar! It was basically in the living room of FDR's mother-in-law's old place. People were standing around chatting - there was definitely a bit of a Park Ave. society element happening. Rock geeks in their mid 40s like myself weren't really their usual crowd, I don't think. But there was Richard, sitting at a table with a record company rep and a bunch of box sets, next to Sean Wilentz who had a stack of copies of his own Dylan book. That's when I asked Richard what Bob was using drug-wise on the tour. I did chat with Anthony DeCurtis for a bit - he's a very nice guy in addition to being a superlative writer.
     
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  14. supermd

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    Well, OK, then his voice at Newport (all 3 years), or Brandeis 1963, etc. His 1966 live voice was so off and weird, for the whole tour, and not just his singing voice.
     
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  16. PaulKTF

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    I'm a casual fan and even I'm considering getting this just to sample some of these shows and hear how they differ from one another.

    I'm glad they decided to release this for historical and archival purposes. I'm also glad they decided to release the "Real Royal Albert Hall" show as a separate release!
     
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  17. the pope ondine

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    he became "Bob". also voiced changes a lot thru the years.....I mean 1966 blonde on blonde voice compared to Nashville skyline honey twang couple years later was another massive shift....then the hoarse hard rain to super nasal street legal.....its always changing
     
  18. Richard--W

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    Regarding Blonde and Blonde and the 1966 tour, it's hard to believe heroin did
    not influence how the songs were written and performed. But Dylan's mind was
    always way out there making associations between seemingly unrelated things.
    In this case it's more than just writing nonsense verse and then singing it with
    an emotion that invests it with a seeming purpose. I don't know what the truth
    is. But I believe Alderson is sincere and truthful when he says Dylan wasn't
    doing heroin, insofar as he knows.

    On another matter, I prefer the acoustic sets from 1965 before Dylan became
    exhausted and sped up. I prefer listening to Dylan over listening to drugged-
    dragged Dylan. His singing is compelling and vital throughout the 1966 tour, no
    question, but the 1965 sets offer other virtues.

    There are three official vinyl releases from 1966: Sydney, Manchester, and the
    first Royal Albert Hall. One must own them all if one doesn't own the CD box-set.
     
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  19. The Bard

    The Bard Highway 61 Revisited. That is all.

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    Heroin or not, I'll always take 1965 as the zenith of Bob's career: BIABH, H61R and those concerts.

    It was the zeitgeist of zeitgeist.
     
  20. Richard--W

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    That's the spirit. More posts like this one, please.
     
  21. PaulKTF

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    I find it fascinating that they recorded all of these shows.

    Does anyone know why they recorded them all? Was there some kind of live album project planned (or released? I'm not super familiar with his core catalog). If anyone knows the story I'd be interested to know.
     
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  24. lee59

    lee59 ...since 1959

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    I'm probably odd man out. I'll collect every studio recording I can of Bob's but I'm not as maniacal over the live material.

    I'm pretty happy with having the Albert Hall gig from this collection. I just don't have the kind of time to listen to 36 shows of this or any tour.

    Give me a collection of the best performances of every song played on a tour and I'll be happy.
     
  25. Vaughan

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    I feel ya - a 36 disc set of anyone is going to be somewhat daunting. And when they include bootleg recordings along with the kitchen sink, you know you're going to have highs and lows.

    My issue with your approach is that you're forced to delegate a decision of which is the "best performance" to some third party. How often, when listening to the box sets in the Bootleg Series, have you read someone saying "this may well be my favorite performance of XXX"? For example, there are some real revelations in the More Blood set.

    What I do find a little confusing is this mix and match approach to releasing archive material. The 36 disc set, and the forthcoming Rolling Thunder set, are not under the banner of the Bootleg Series. I find that a little inconsistent.
     

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