Charlie Brown Christmas original print

Discussion in 'Visual Arts' started by Keith V, Dec 2, 2019.

  1. Keith V

    Keith V Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Here’s a video comparing the original print with the one they fixed the following year.
    enjoy.


     
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  2. Keith V

    Keith V Forum Resident Thread Starter

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  3. Keith V

    Keith V Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Does anyone know where you can watch the whole original print online?
     
  4. LeBon Bush

    LeBon Bush Hound of Love

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    Yes, the original print is available on the Internet Archive :)

    Edit: title "A Charlie Brown Christmas Original 1965 Airing". I can't seem to get to copy a working link into this post.
     
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  5. Keith V

    Keith V Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Thank you
     
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  6. stereoptic

    stereoptic Anaglyphic GORT Staff

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    At the very bottom of that webpage:
     
  7. Strat-Mangler

    Strat-Mangler Personal Survival Daily Record-Breaker

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    I love stuff like this! Thanks for posting. :)

    I'm confused about why everything which should be white is a pale blue in the restored version from 5:25-6:30. Snoopy, the sheet of paper CB is holding, a girl's shoes during the dancing bit... All pale blue instead of white.
     
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  8. Brodnation

    Brodnation The Future Never Dies because Tomorrow Never Knows

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    I wouldn’t mind going in and cleaning up parts of this print and doing colour restoration on the Coca Cola ads and re inserting them back into the HD version.

    (Also is it just me or does the print look slightly off hue?)
     
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  9. Michael

    Michael I LOVE WIDE S-T-E-R-E-O!

    Great stuff...love IA!
     
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  10. Chip TRG

    Chip TRG Senior Member

    He went a little overboard with the color correcting, yes.
     
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  11. Brodnation

    Brodnation The Future Never Dies because Tomorrow Never Knows

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    I’ll do a quick screen grab of the print and mess with the hue and white, grey and black points and see where I get :righton:
     
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  12. Keith V

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    Excellent
     
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  13. jtiner

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    It's not just you. It would make sense that the print was faded, so different colors fading at different rates and not easily correctable via a global change. The blacks are high and red and blue channels are often clipped, and the night sky "black" is very green. There's a good deal of dirt/noise. Having said all that, the color saturation seems much higher than I would expect, so someone may have just applied an automatic correction overall because it doesn't at all look as I'd expect for a faded print. And the gate scratches look funny to me, like they've been processed somehow. Each scene would really need individual grading to really restore it properly. I wonder how this was transferred...
    I tried a quick overall correction balancing the R/G/B gain and moving black back to neutral. Of course, there's a certain charm factor just watching the print as-is with the hissy soundtrack. I like it, and I'm glad it was shared.
     
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  14. Brodnation

    Brodnation The Future Never Dies because Tomorrow Never Knows

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    I understand that, It was just a passing thought that it was out of hue. Due to the yellows bleeding into orange and skin tones turning magenta. I’ll do some more scientific analysis tonight
     
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  15. Keith V

    Keith V Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    hue do that.

    please.
     
  16. Dan C

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    Fascinating! I never knew how many changes were made after the first airing. Just always assumed it was only the Coke sponsorship. Thanks for posting this!

    dan c
     
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  17. jtiner

    jtiner Forum Resident

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    Please share what you find!
     
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  18. jtiner

    jtiner Forum Resident

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    I thought it was interesting too. My biggest surprise was learning CBS wanted to add a laugh track. We can all be thankful they didn't get their way. Can you imagine - "ugh... I've been kissed by a dog (hah hah hah)" and "my naturally curly hair (hah hah hah)". I'm pretty sure at one point they were against using Vince Guaraldi's music, too.
     
  19. Brodnation

    Brodnation The Future Never Dies because Tomorrow Never Knows

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    I just go into the studio, I’ll dig in soon!
     
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  20. BwanaBob

    BwanaBob Forum Resident

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    I thank the people for finding the original version. I thought I was losing my mind because I always remembered the choir finishing Hark the Herald Angels Sing. I was confused and angry beyond words when I bought the DVD and it ended with the fade out. Now I know I was right all along.
     
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  21. Dan C

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    It's reaaaaaally weird seeing Snoopy's mouth move in the first version. I think that change was a good call. Fascinating though. Should be bonus material on any future reissues, but at least it's out there for us to see now.

    dan c
     
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  22. wolfyboy3

    wolfyboy3 Now I'm Prune Tracey

    I love that soundtrack. Need to dig out my 4k copy of the movie and compare it to the original. Thanks for this thread!
     
  23. Keith V

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    As an aside, I watched Happiness is a Warm Blanket last week. It wasn’t as bad as I remember. The look was good. The cherry picking of lines from the strip is suspect but the look is good.
    It’s weird seeing Woodstock and hearing “sweet babboo” in an early 1960s setting.
    Plus the tone of the whole thing is dark.
    Mothersbaugh trying to do Guaraldi is amusing.
    Thoughts?
     
  24. Daniel Plainview

    Daniel Plainview God's Lonely Man

    I didn't like it at all. It was too dark. The characters' eyes were dead (which I know is ridiculous as they are all just black dots but something about "Blanket" seemed cold and inhuman).
     
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  25. Keith V

    Keith V Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Yeah. I had watched it once when it came out and thought the same thing. The rewatch was better because I expected the worst.

    It’s sort of like the Seinfeld Finale where the characters get unmasked....very unpleasant.
     

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