Dona nobis pacem Great, great example of what I'm talking about. My introduction to the "Missa Solemnis" was Klemperer with the Philharmonia. Exquisitely played? Sorta, but the tempos are far off. I didn't really hear the "Missa Solemnis" until I had the good fortune to record David Babbitt leading the San Franciso Bach Choir performing the work, with lots of ringers from the Philharmonia Baroque in the orchestra. For the first time I heard a 'Quick' Missa Solemnis, and suddenly the pieces fell in place. The Zinman/Tonhalle recording uses the same tempos as did Babbitt, to the same effect, and these are Beethoven's metronome indications. It makes for the most remarkable spiritual transformation of Beethoven's chorale masterwork.