Thanks for the info. It led me to this unofficial release: Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young – "Studio Archives 1969" 01. Everybody's Talkin' 02. How Have You Been 03. Black Queen riff / dialogue 04. Triad (Acoustic Studio Take) 05. Almost Cut My Hair (Acoustic Take) - Wally Heider's, San Francisco 06. Everyday We Live - Wally Heider's, San Francisco 07. Sea Of Madness - Wally Heider's, San Francisco 08. The Lee Shore - Stephen Stills Home Studio 09. Everybody I Love You - Wally Heider's, San Francisco 10. I'll Be There - Wally Heider's, San Francisco 11. Blackbird - Wally Heider's, San Francisco 12. Ivory Tower - Wally Heider's, San Francisco 13. 30 Dollar Fine - Wally Heider's, San Francisco 14. Everybody's Been Burned 15. You're Wrong Baby - Wally Heider's, San Francisco 16. Everybody's Alone - Wally Heider's, San Francisco
DTK, what do you mean when you wrote: "Well get them...you just have to randomly click around in a 'fun' user interface from 1996." I'm sorry for being dumb, but I feel like Batman when he's trying to decipher a message from the Riddler!
Anyone dealt with a return shipping package with Rhino Records? Here's my problem I'm dealing with now, I purchased the CSNY's 50th Deja Vu, 5lps deluxe vinly set from Rhino. During the confirmation of my order, the name of cardholder was incorrect. So I deleted that order. Started a new order, corrected the name of cardholder, confirmed the order. Checked my email for the confirmed order. Well I thought the first order was cancelled, but it was there too along with my new order. I sent an email back to Rhino explaining the problem. First reply back, told me that they put a hold on the incorrect order, will send a cancellation notice if they receive a cancellation notice from the shipping dept. So never received that notice. So I have received the 2 orders. Contacted Rhino and sent me a return shipping address. Mail it, the 18th, insured and tracking. It's went to Franklin Returns Center, 2001 Commerce Parkway Dock Doors 71-75 Franklin, IN 46131. Has anyone had to send back a return item to this place? I did a google and got their number. Called 5 times, got an old cranky dude, I answered him, he said the name of the business, I tried to answer him, can you hear, can you hear me, he never acknowledged, just hung up each time. I tried another phone, same results. I sent an email 3 days ago to Rhino about this situation. On my tracking, they received the package, said, "Delivered, garage, or other location at address." They received the return shipping package, Friday, the 24th. First time to have this happen. Might send a note to drrhinorecords, see what he says.
I actually returned this same box set last month to Rhino. I didn't have any issues. They sent me a prepaid UPS shipping label for my return but it was for an address in California.
Well I sent an email to dr. rhino and he took care of it. They received the returned shipping box, reimbursing the shipping fee, and takes about 7-10 days to credit my account. That was a welcome sight and relief!
I've ordered the vinyl box. Has anyone compared the sound quality between the original mix in this box and the Alternatives disk? Apparently the original is AAA but the others are not? Can anyone confirm? I bought the Alternative disk for RSD and it sounds incredible to me. Not at all digital, however I don't have the original to compare to. It also doesn't really make sense why you'd cut the main album AAA and the rest digital as you'd still have to go to all the effort of getting the tapes out and then cutting and remastering them to the digital domain? Unless I'm missing something....
It's partly attributable to the nature of the music and instrumentation, but to my ears, everything on this entire 5-LP set sounds wonderfully warm and nostalgic. At $250 for 5LP's, it's not the best deal. Basically, for the same price, the new Metallica black album box provides 6 LP's, 14 CD's, 6 DVD's and a 120-page book. But, if I had to choose only one, I would take Deja Vu.
That's kind of what I don't understand though. All the demos / alt mixes all came from tape to begin with, and have never been released before. So just not sure why you'd take them into the digital domain first if you were going to cut them to a record? Especially if you're giving it to a mastering studio that specialises in analogue. I've got Bellman's Alternative Rumours and Moondance, and they're INCREDIBLE. I reckon they sound as good if not better than the Kevin Gray AAA cuts of the original mixes. The tapes sound so fresh given they had never been used before. There's no call out to them being AAA, but they certainly sound it. It'd also explain why the alternative mixes that are out of print are so expensive on the secondary market given you can stream them in high res.
Horses Through A Rainstorm was lifted right from the CSN box. Regardless, it's one thing to cut an LP from existing analog tapes. It's quite another to do mixes entirely in analog, both in terms of playing the multitracks and capturing the final mixes. Plus, nobody would know the difference if they weren't specifically told.
This! Also you don't play back historic master tapes repeatedly for mixing. You play them once to digitize them. Everything else is too risky.
Most of the time yes. However I know for a fact that Analogue productions has "remixed" a new master from the original 3 tracks on Kind of Blue and We get Requests as the actual master was cooked, but the 3 tracks were perfect. The demo / alt tapes here should also be in pristine condition given they would probably have only ever been run once or twice. I'm not suggesting that's exactly what was done. Just that it's possible. Given that no expense has been spared on this release if they were ever going to tap into the master session tapes to mix the Alts analogue, this would be the time to do it
I guess that was why I was asking whether anyone had compared the main AAA mix to the Alts mix (as these are properly mixed) to see if there's a difference in sound quality. It's unlikely the demos are going to sound as good as they haven't been fully produced like the alternative mixes
Not sure about We Get Requests, but the Kind of Blue 3-tracks are anything but "perfect" these days. Regardless, doing a 3 to 2 reduction is something very, very different from creating a stereo mix from 8- or 16-track. No expense has been spared? There are *definitely* differences in sound quality, but that's because they are different recordings mixed by different people on different gear nearly 50 years apart. But differences don't necessarily mean better or worse, nor are they necessarily because whether various components were analog or digital.
Rhino customer service, in an email to me, maintained that the original LP is all-analog. Bonus material primarily from 192/24 transfers and nearly all of the outtakes newly mixed by Bruce Botnik from 192/24 transfers of the original multi-track tapes. Hopefully this clears up the provenance. I haven't done a serious listening shoot-out yet, just ordered a new table/cart so maybe later.
My box set just arrived. All I can say is WOW! Better packaging than anything I've ever seen! Makes my One steps and UHQR's look cheap! Obviously not the cheapest box, but wow! Also I must compliment UPS! I got a shipping notification 2 days ago that it was getting shipped from the US to Australia and it just arrived!! And shipping was only $15 US! Crazy good! Also did anyone else notice that the main record was pressed at Optimal but all the others were pressed at RTI based on the matrix and inner sleeves? Seems like a rather odd thing to do?
Neil Young has also gone and mixed his old Carnegie Hall concert from the original multi tracks all analogue at Capital. Due for release tomorrow. Just saying it is possible... https://www.amazon.com.au/gp/product/B09CRY3V8J/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_image_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Re my comment on no expense spared on the box. I'm not sure if you've got it or seen it yet? But EVERYTHING about it is top shelf. Like a Ferrari. The best packaging (Gatefold tipon jackets), the best mastering (Bellman), the best pressing (Optimal definitely got this right not a single pop or tick straight out of the sleeve without a clean, and the other disks from RTI look flawless). This this is built like a tank!
It'd be strange if it wasn't. Every single new Neil Young album is AAA apart from the ones that were recorded digitally. I don't know why they'd suddenly go to all the efforts of getting the multitrack tapes and mixing them digitally? I could be wrong though? My copy is meant to arrive shortly, and all of Neil's albums say if they're analogue or digital on the back cover.
apples to oranges. the Carnegie tape has sat untouched for 50 years. Deja Vu tapes have had plenty of use in that same time period
The original record yes. But not the outakes, demos etc. They would have never been touched. They were only released for the 5oth anniversay. I know they're mixed digitally though, I'm not arguing that. I'm just saying that it's possible to cut a new AAA record from old multi tapes. Also I'm not sure whether anyone here has seen the Rick Rubin / Paul McCartney special on Apple, but it's incredible, as they actually go through all the old Beatles master tapes, and isolate each track to show how each song was broken up. Fascinating stuff
Unfortunately that's not the case. Young Shakespeare and Songs for Judy were both mastered from high-res digital despite being recorded on tape. There may be others.
