‘Dishonest’ Films

Discussion in 'Visual Arts' started by Siegmund, Jul 31, 2020.

  1. Tim S

    Tim S Senior Member

    East Tennessee
    Definitely a fair point.

    Couldn't we say the same thing about the Buddy Holly Story? Is it critical that the audience does or doesn't know the actual history?
  2. Johnny Action

    Johnny Action Forum President

    Kailua, Hawai’i
    Maybe you and I.
    But not the majority of the viewing public.
    “We’re dumb all over”
    - F. Zappa
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  3. I didn't see it but I know what you mean . Musical bio-pics are usually terrible because they either gloss the truth up or make up some nonsense for God knows what reason.
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  4. Efus

    Efus Forum Resident

    Inglourious Basterds?
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  5. Big Jimbo

    Big Jimbo Forum Resident

    Oliver Stone’s “J.F.K.” Making a hero out of a homophobic district attorney that distorted evidence. As Vincent Bugliosi said he found 53 pieces of evidence that Oswald did it and Stone couldn’t put one piece in his film. Stone found he couldn’t find a single gun that put out smoke like some people said the saw in the grassy knoll so he used a bellows from a smoke machine.

    the 1940 biopic about George Armstrong Custer with Errol Flynn “They died with their boots on” about the only accurate thing is Custer liked onions. Although Custer did play a role in the Union victory at Gettysburg, it wasn’t the entire reason the Union won. And Winfield Scott wasn’t running things in Washington, he had been moved aside to West Point writing his memoirs.
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  6. Tim S

    Tim S Senior Member

    East Tennessee
    The man owns this thread.
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  7. Brian Lux

    Brian Lux One in the Crowd

    Placerville, CA
    If a movie is a fictionalized account based on a true story, I look at is just that- a fictionalized account. It's called "entertainment". If the viewer wants to get closer to the real story, do something called "reading". If it is made clear that the movie is a fictional account, I don't hold the film maker responsible for giving out misinformation- I hold the viewer responsible for not taking the time to learn the true history. Holding the film maker responsible for presenting false information in a fictionalized movie would be like making Jean Auel responsible for not teaching people the true story behind prehistoric humans. It's not anthropology, it's FICTION!
  8. J.F.K. was the first thing that came to mind when I started reading this thread. A bit surprised it wasn't the first thing listed as a response.
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  9. MortSahlFan

    MortSahlFan Forum Resident

    Is there ANY documentaries that HAVE been honest?
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  10. George Co-Stanza

    George Co-Stanza Forum Resident

    Eh, I don't see films like this as dishonest. They are films, not documentaries. If you want it to be 100% factual, watch a documentary.
  11. All Down The Line

    All Down The Line Forum Resident

    Had to be good reason Dylan dumped playing Hurricane all those decades ago.
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  12. Jason Manley

    Jason Manley Forum Resident

    Oliver Stone's JFK is the first film that came to mind. As skillfully and artfully made as it clearly is... it's absolute fantastical hogwash.

    Still riveting to watch though. :shh:
  13. Jason Manley

    Jason Manley Forum Resident

    I don't think QT was presenting his story as anything but an alternate reality. I had problems with the 3rd act, myself.
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  14. Michael

    Michael I LOVE WIDE S-T-E-R-E-O!

    Bonnie & Clyde...
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  15. Jazzmonkie

    Jazzmonkie Forum Resident

    Tempe, AZ
    Most bio-films.
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  16. Jack White

    Jack White Forum Resident

    Pretty much every musical bio veres considerably from the truth.
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  17. Dillydipper

    Dillydipper Sultan Of Snark

    Central PA
    As with many Tarrentino films, even the title should give away the intent to tell a narrative, not necessarily an accurate account. Not apologizing, but we knew what we were in for, the director having already set precedents for a "story" over a "re-creation" previously.
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  18. Tim S

    Tim S Senior Member

    East Tennessee
    No kidding, I've never even seen a Dewey Cox record in my life.
  19. spanky1

    spanky1 Forum Resident

    East Tennessee
    Although a good movie, Denzel Washington's REMEMBER THE TITANS was way off the mark in relation to actual facts. The consolidated school was no underdog, and in fact, combined 3 schools, and had a tremendous talent pool. By all accounts the racial tensions were exaggerated(however, during this period there were some issues). One of the main storylines, is almost completely bogus. In the movie, one of the star players is paralyzed before the championship game. However, in real life, it happened months later.

    Sports movies really irritate me with all of the embellishments. From what I've read the Kurt Russell movie about the US Olympic hockey team was pretty accurate. This proves you can stay close to the facts, and make a good movie.
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  20. S. P. Honeybunch

    S. P. Honeybunch Presidente de Kokomo

    California, USA
    KISS Meets the Phantom of the Park
    Magical Mystery Tour
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  21. JFK
    The Doors
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  22. drh

    drh Talking Machine

    Amadeus was a lovely film but counts as character assassination of Antonio Salieri.
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  23. 4-2-7

    4-2-7 Forum Resident

    SF Peninsula
    I just ran across this the other night, I bought Dion's new album and watched a interview about it. Well this vid was next, Dion said no one has ever asked his input for any movies or documentaries. Here he tells some stories prior and on that tour till the crash and a bit afterwards. .

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  24. czeskleba

    czeskleba Senior Member

    "Tells some stories" is the right way to describe it, because his claim that he was involved in a coin toss for a seat on the doomed plane is most likely completely false. It contradicts the reports of multiple other people involved.
  25. Vidiot

    Vidiot Now in 4K HDR!

    Hollywood, USA
    I worked on the home video version of this film for director Alan Parker, and I was too afraid to ask him about all the discrepancies between Billy Hayes' book and the movie. It was a tough experience, but the movie came out pretty well.

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