Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Steve Hoffman, Oct 12, 2017.
Why did the steel needles have to be changed after every play?
Was the metal that soft?
This thread made me go fire up our Silvertone Victrola and play some Sinatra.
Looks like this.
Funny, all this time I thought he looked like THIS:
I think the grooves in a record essentially act like sandpaper, causing the tip to lose it's point. Most people certainly didn't change the needle with every play, especially in the Depression, but it was recommended.
Most people in the old days just turned the steel needle a bit and played another record. These old 78s you see with white worn out grooves.
A little off topic, but the dang chuck on my Victrola won't tighten down enough to hold a needle. I don't know if there is something wrong with it, or if the needles I got from Jerry Raskin are of a smaller guage than what I need.
... so the needles are re-popped?
some 78's I have looked like they used a chain saw as a needle.
some must have thought, 'oh it'll be alright', and kept using blunt needles.
without much knowledge, it's hard for me to believe a steel needle would be degraded
after one shellac record play. (I probably would have done the same back in the day....)
I thought Adolfe was more of a Sax-man, myself.
I too am curious about the session specifics. Admittedly I'm not at my desk system, just the Kindle, but saxes not nearly as present as trumpets? And I didn't even notice the strings until the last verse. Perhaps the trumpets should have sat down, and scooted a few feet further back? I'm assuming only one mic?
I remember we had a little box of single play needles, some gold coloured ones that apparently were good for five plays, and some toughened needles that were good for 50 plays. There was also a needle sharpener with a disc of sandpaper, so I guess people sharpened them several times - I may be wrong.
As I noted My first record player used those steel needles. I used them until they were rounded and dull. But then I was 3-4.
“Don’t mention the War” (Basil Faulty)
We had a suitcase Victrola like this one that my brother would play Beethoven symphonies on. The speaker was between the turntable and the hinge of the lid. The volume control was a towel stuck into the speaker. Our mother collected cacti so if steel needles were in short supply, we'd use stickers off her cactus plants. They'd be good for a play or two.
Besides the Beethoven symphonies, this one got a lot of spins on our Victrola. Released 1941. A two disc album.
I know a guy in NH who might know about the appropriate needles for your Collaro.
I've collected many victrolas and early 78 players over the years. In terms of wind-up machines, the most dynamic sound reproducer I ever had was a late 1920s Orthophonic, which used an alloy diaphragm. The difference in detail and dynamics between that and my Victor No 2 reproducer was amazing. That said, I never explored electronic phono pickups like the one in the video (and referenced in the above link). Beautiful! I'm using a funky electric player now, but I'd like to someday set up a model with one of these pickups.
I love old players (and 78 record-era music). I think I'd feel at home at Joe Broussard's (Desperate Man Blues). And if I lived in house, I surely would put antique record players (and cylinder players) in every room
Yeah, and ya gotta dispose of them properly, or they end up washing up on the Jersey shore.
BTW, Driftwood - nice, lusterous shots of beautiful old wood made musical!
Perfect record! Very surprising. Sounds like it wasn't played that often over the decades.
Oh my god! Haha, that really worked!?
Yes. Cactus needles were sold and used. Also wood needles for a mellow tone.
Are you willing to give mastering a disc for this a try?
Thanks for sharing, Steve.
Reminds me of this full-range 1932 gem you shared with the forum several years back.
Yes, amazing sound for being almost 90 years old.
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