Favorite Beatles Capitol Album (US + Canada)

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  1. john lennonist

    john lennonist There ONCE was a NOTE, PURE and EASY...


    The most-mistreated Beatles orphan of all was "Leave My Kitten Alone"

    I prefer that song
    to at least or ¼ of the Fabs released output.
     
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  2. DK Pete

    DK Pete Forum Resident

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    I'm really in my own little corner with Kitten.. it never impressed me much as as a song or a Beatle performance. It's ok....but I remember all the hype it got during the late seventies early eighties period...then I finally got to hear it on the Sessions boot and kind of found myself thinking, "that's it...???"
     
  3. john lennonist

    john lennonist There ONCE was a NOTE, PURE and EASY...


    This dog is gonna get you
    Hit you on top of your head
    If you don't quickly retract
    What it is that you just said!

    :laugh:
     
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  4. Michael P

    Michael P Forum Resident

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    That does not explain the same fake stereo on the 2nd half of IATW. That same fake stereo IATW part is found on the 87 CD's. That leads me to believe the reprocessing was done in England. None of the '87 CD's used Capitol processing.
     
  5. Dinstun

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    There was a very particular reason for the last half of Walrus to be fake stereo. But there was zero reason for fake stereo mixes of the other three tracks on MMT to have been created at EMI in London. Plus, there is no documentation of it, as there is for the other fake stereo tracks made there.

    It would not have been difficult for Capitol to have used a process very similar to that used for Walrus.
     
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  6. Michael P

    Michael P Forum Resident

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    This still does not answer how that same version ended up on the '87 CD's. Those were a worldwide release, which leads me to believe they were done at Abbey Road. If Capitol was the source for this kind of processing (very easy to ID as there is harmonic distortion on the treble side - very noticeable on "Baby Your a Rich Man" but I heard the same distortion to a lesser extent on all the reprocessed tracks including the IATW ending), why was it used on the '87 CD's?
     
  7. Dinstun

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    Yes, the fake stereo last half of 'I Am The Walrus' was done at Abbey Road. The difference between the US/German and the UK stereo versions are in the true stereo first half of the song, not the last half, although the fake stereo last half did receive some re-treatment for the 2009 remaster.

    There were two released stereo versions of 'I Am The Walrus' mixed at EMI London in 1967:
    • RS6/7 - This is an edit of true stereo mix RS6 and "rechanneled" stereo mix RS7. RS7 was made from mono mix RM22, which contains the King Lear broadcast.This was done on Nov 6 1967, and headed to the US the next day to be used on the stereo LP. Capitol trimmed the intro to four beats, while the German version left it untrimmed at six beats. The German version is on the 1967 Odeon EP and the 1971 LP. This mix has not been officially released on CD.
    • RS25/7 - On Nov 17 1967 a new true stereo mix RS25 was made and combined with the fake stereo mix RS7. The intro is six beats. This is the version on both the 1987 and 2009 CDs.
    RS6 and RS25 are similar but a notable difference is that the rhythm track during the "I'm crying" vocal at around 1:18 is faded down on RS6.
     
  8. Michael P

    Michael P Forum Resident

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    Thank you.

    Now I'd like someone to get an original Capitol pressing of MMT, put on headphones and compare the reprocessing of the ending of IATW and the 3 songs in fake stereo on side 2. To my ears they sound like the same process was used, hence all done at Abbey Rd. and not Capitol.
     
  9. majorlance

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    This.

    If there was a Top Ten Forum Cliches list (e.g. Vinyl > CD, Mono > Stereo, Beatles > Monkees > Everyone else, etc.), the veneration of "Kitten" (one of what George Martin dismissed as "teddy-boy songs") would undoubtedly be on it.

    Just to be clear, nobody enjoys the full-throated roar of the young John Lennon tearing through some meat-and-potatoes rocker more than I do. But come on, guys — give it a rest already!
     
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  10. YardByrd

    YardByrd rock n roll citizen in a hip hop world

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    Second Album - in mono natch (despite some folds)...
    but strong love for Meet, ‘65, Rubber Soul and MMT...
    grew up with Capitol versions as a kid in the 70s and have fallen in love with them all over again as I add them to my LP collection after not having owned any since circa ‘83
     
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  11. YardByrd

    YardByrd rock n roll citizen in a hip hop world

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    strangely I see them all the time here in Finland albeit ‘70s/‘80s reissues...
     
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  12. Keith V

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    Yesterday and Today

    but I also love MMT, RS, and ‘65.

    as for Revolver, although it’s just abridged, I use to like how John took a back seat to the others just to dazzle us at the end of each side.
     
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  13. Lexhibit

    Lexhibit Forum Resident

    Something new (u.s. mono)
    Second album (u.s. mono)
    Yesterday and today (u.s. mono)

    3 Beatles albums for a desert island, all u.s. mono. These are essential albums uk Beatles album fans must hear at least once before they judge the u.s. "butchers" so harshly. Im a converter myself.
     
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  14. Lexhibit

    Lexhibit Forum Resident

    "leave my kitten alone" is great rocker from Beatles for sale era... also liked "if you got troubles" and "how do you do it" as "orphans"
     
  15. DK Pete

    DK Pete Forum Resident

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    That's precisely how I took it when i first heard the album as an 11 year old kid in '68(meaning, with John being featured on "only" two songs).
     
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  16. Tom in Houston

    Tom in Houston Forum Resident

    There was a period in the late 70s and 80s when both shop-owners and wholesalers of imported LP titles, as well as the record companies themselves, were doing a good job of servicing the Beatle fan population in America's larger cities. I have 3 Canadian titles Long Tall Sally, Twist & Shout, and Beatlemania, that I was able to buy directly out of retailers' bins in Houston. These album jackets contain a reference to the albums first being released/published in Canada, Nov. '63, Feb. '64, or May '64. In other words these were not original pressings, but they were coming from Capitol, Canada

    What I'm saying is don't give up your search. These titles in their re-released versions, were once common.
     
  17. Sgt. Abbey Road

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    This question is easy to answer for me:cool:
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  18. rmath84

    rmath84 Forum Resident

    I've never been a fan of third person criticisms so I'm glad Nowhere Man was left off the American Rubber Soul. For awhile I only had one speaker and listened to the hard panned vocal tracks. I'm fond of it that way.
     
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  19. YardByrd

    YardByrd rock n roll citizen in a hip hop world

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    Further, it's not like said criticism are poignant and noteworthy... rather vague and nebulous... probably the only Lennon song from the '60s that bores me...
     
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  20. Roland Stoves

    Roland Stoves 3.9% Neanderthal

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    Stoned immaculate.
     
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  21. YardByrd

    YardByrd rock n roll citizen in a hip hop world

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    just grabbed a purple Capitol Revolver... I haven't had a purple Capitol version since roughly '83... it was like putting on a comfortable pair of slippers for the first time in decades... and since I didn't grow up with the UK sequence I have no problem with this streamlined version... as for sonics, I do not have an original '60s UK or US stereo so I can't compare, but I much prefer this Capitol purple to my '70s UK reish...
     
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  22. YardByrd

    YardByrd rock n roll citizen in a hip hop world

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    also got a '64 Capitol mono Meet the Beatles last week... in EX shape... fantastic! I prefer it to its parent LP, With the Beatles to boot...
     
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  23. DK Pete

    DK Pete Forum Resident

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    As a whole, MTB is actually a stronger album than WTB, IMO. It omits a cover or two which aren’t anything special and adds three dynamically sequenced openers. On Revolver, I always found the Capitol version to be louder than the UK pressings…I think this works better for some songs than others.
     
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  24. YardByrd

    YardByrd rock n roll citizen in a hip hop world

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    for me, the songs on the louder Capitol LP that work better than the UK pressings, tend to also be the ones I like better in mono, i.e. the rockers... did that make sense? Or too convoluted?
     
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  25. DK Pete

    DK Pete Forum Resident

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    It makes perfect sense. Short of a remix coming out at any point in time, I prefer the entire album in mono except for Yellow Submarine,Good Day Sunshine and Tomorrow Never Knows.
     
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