Frank Zappa - The Hot Rat Sessions 6 CD set

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by vudicus, Oct 9, 2019.

  1. KCLizard

    KCLizard Forum Resident

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    You do not have to be sorry, If you like it GO FOR IT.

    I will sleep this evening, even If you buy it. Just joking.
     
  2. gd0

    gd0 Looney Tunes and Merrie Melodies

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    Lossless download is your friend.
     
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  3. JayB

    JayB Senior Member

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    Agreed..but for special (to me) albums I'm a sucker for physical media.
     
  4. Chest Pains Productions

    Chest Pains Productions Forum Resident

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    Hot Rats is and always will be my favorite Frank Zappa album (the original, not the remix). I'd been begging for something like this on the zappa.com forum for close to 20 years. So happy we are finally getting this. Anyone complaining about this, that or the other about it is just a BOOB.
     
  5. Rne

    Rne weltschmerz

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    Is it you, Ahmet?
     
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  6. asdf35

    asdf35 Forum Resident

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    I'm excited about this as well.

    Hey, sorry off topic - but are you the Philly area taper? If so, I've been watching some of your live recordings for over 20 years!
     
  7. Chest Pains Productions

    Chest Pains Productions Forum Resident

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    No, but JT is a good buddy of mine.
     
  8. TFEC

    TFEC Opinion Holder

    Ratchet
     
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  9. Galeans

    Galeans Forum Resident

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    Anyone got the Black Friday RSD "Peaches en Regalia" picture disc? Any comment on the material included?
     
  10. asdf35

    asdf35 Forum Resident

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    Awesome, thanks. Your occasional narration on that vid was legendary! Ha. I've been watching your live captures since '97.
     
  11. asdf35

    asdf35 Forum Resident

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    It does sound like a ratchet tool in "Willie."

    I tend to like idiosyncrasies and noises, but that one is too prominent in the mix, annoys me.
     
  12. JayB

    JayB Senior Member

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    I mentioned in another thread that the Rhythm Track Mixes were really cool to hear!
     
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  13. John DeAngelis

    John DeAngelis Senior Member

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  14. TFEC

    TFEC Opinion Holder

    That's fine, but it is a ratchet making that sound, like, y'know, in actual reality.
     
  15. Chest Pains Productions

    Chest Pains Productions Forum Resident

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    I'm seriously going nuts waiting for this!! I didn't get the PeR picture disc yet because I wanna hear all of this in one long sitting straight thru and I NEVER check out the pre-released tracks. I do this with all the FZ deluxe box sets.
     
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  16. Chest Pains Productions

    Chest Pains Productions Forum Resident

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    Enough with the ratchet talk. It's castanets. Christ!
     
  17. John DeAngelis

    John DeAngelis Senior Member

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    Thank you! Frank's love of castanets is well documented.
     
  18. sambamaster

    sambamaster Forum Resident

    From Wikipedia: "Zappa also 'plays' a ratchet wrench as percussion on 'Willie the Pimp' "
     
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  19. Beatnik_Daddyo'73

    Beatnik_Daddyo'73 Music Addiction Personified

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    The ratchet is classified as a scrape idiophone or cog rattle (though it is not actually a rattle in the precise sense of the word) of Europe. It is called for sparingly in the orchestral and band repertoires, and might better be thought of as an auxiliary sound-effects instrument.

    Description

    Two wooden blocks each with a pair of thinly-shaven tongues cut out of them are mounted on an inverted V-shaped metal frame so that the tips of their tongues touch the cogs on a rotatable wooden wheel mounted at the peak of the frame. A metal handle runs through the wheel’s axis and is used to rotate it so that the cogs flex and release the tongues.

    Player - Instrument Interface and Sound Production

    The performer can control and easily vary the rate of the clicks by rotating the crank faster or slower.

    Origins/History/Evolution

    Ratchets of various designs have been used for centuries in some religious traditions. They have also been used to provide warning signals, to scare animals, and as a children’s toy. The ratchet pictured here was designed specifically for musical use.
     
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  20. OldReliable

    OldReliable Well-Known Member

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    As a percussionist, I feel the need to chime in on the ratchet vs castanets debate. While it sounds timbre wise a bit like castanets, to me it's distinctly ratchet. The way Frank's playing it, he's just turning the ratchet handle on 2 and 4. I'll also attach two YouTube links of both a small ratchet made for musical use and a castanet machine. I hope this helps!

    Castanet Machine

    Ratchet (like the one in Beatnik_Daddyo's picture)
    How to Play the Ratchet (Cog Rattle)
     
    Last edited: Dec 5, 2019
  21. alakulju

    alakulju Music is the best! - FZ

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    I remember seeing Pat Mastelotto play this sort of thing (ratchet) in King Crimson.
     
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  22. The Panda

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    heard it at a friend's house. I honestly could not hear any differences in the mono mixes--fold downs? Which is weird cause Tears Began to Fall has a dedicated mono single mix.
     
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  23. Rne

    Rne weltschmerz

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    I agree 100%
     
  24. asdf35

    asdf35 Forum Resident

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    I lean toward it being a dirty ratchet wrench from an auto garage.

    ...but can we agree that it's a slightly annoying sound that goes on for way too long in an otherwise killer groove of a song?
     
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  25. Chest Pains Productions

    Chest Pains Productions Forum Resident

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    Well god damn!!! I stand corrected. A ratchet (the percussion instrument) it is.
     

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