Genesis s/t (1983) target CD *

$5.99....



is this one a forum favorite?

GENESIS (1983)

 

Cool, which Genesis album is that?

 

Great find!

 

Self-titled. You know, "The Perfection Album".

 

perfection album?

 

You've never seen the Perfection game? It's on the cover of the Genesis album. Here's the game:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00000IWHG/bookstorenow63-20

 

Actually, I believe they are peices from the Tupperware Shape-O toy.
http://order.tupperware.com/coe/app...ategory_code=7000&fv_item_number=P10054276000

 

For sound or paint?

 

I have the disc, and I'm no fan of this mastering. As it became apparent when dubbing a song to cassette for a friend that isn't equiped for CD, this CD was mastered at 60% volume. That's right; even the peaks are at only 60% volume.

This is the opposite of the maximizing/brickwalling that you all dread. The disc is not mastered loudly enough.

 

How does this affect the sound quality, in your opinion?

 

whoa i totally wanna play that board game while i listen to my target now.

 

This means that given the limits of your preamp or receiver that you will not be able to play the disc as loudly as other discs, and that the disc doesn't fully utilize the CD format's potential dynamic range and signal to noise ratio capabilities.

 

In theory, maybe. In reality, well...:

60% = -4.4 dB, which means that a cd mastered to 60% peak level still has approx 90dB of potential dynamic range/signal to noise ratio. So it really shouldn't constitute a problem.

IMO.

 

Surely of more relevance is that the album just isn't very good.....IMO. It's the point where Genesis became just another vehicle for the Phil Collins Show....again, IMO. Still, listening to this is better than watching Buster.

 

Since dynamic range is measured on a logarithmic scale, 60% peak level still means that the potential dynamic range of this CD is more than 90 db. I would bet that this is more than what is on the master.

 

just the opposite. this is the album where they cemented the 'writing together' procedure. starting with abacab, they really started writing songs largely from scratch by jamming together in the studio, as opposed to one person coming in with a finished idea/theme/song.

i like this album quite a lot, about the same as abacab, but not nearly as much as duke!!!

 

I for one love this album....Not so much as Duke, but none the less a great album. I liked the Target mastering until I read the reviews. Now I hate it (a too thin sound). Yet, it is still better than the regular Atlantic mastering (that one sounds like the stereo spectrum was narrowed). The best is the V/C (still not great, the sound ain't thin, you can hear the stereo, but the sound hurts by ears)

 

Why there was never a Definitive Edition Remastering of this, I will never know. It sure needed it a hell of a lot more than Abacab.

 

I have the Canadian CD version of this album. It sounds just fine!

 

Not mine, but a cool collectible all the same.

 

If it says s/t and 1983, it must mean the self-titled album from 1983, correct?

 

This Target does, indeed, sound thin and bright. Nasty stuff. I preferred the US Atlantic, which while lacking in energy and punch, is at least listenable. Best of all is the V/C, which I think sounds very nice.

There's nothing necessarily wrong with a CD mastered at 60% volume either - turn your amp up a little higher and enjoy!

 

I've never listened to this on CD, but I didn't think it sounded good on vinyl. As for the music, this was nowhere near as bad as Invisible Touch but the band had already begun to insult their audience's intelligence two years earlier ("Who Dunnit") and compounded the process with "Illegal Alien".