Hunter/Garcia: "Mason's Children" - What the Heck is This Song About?

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  1. RayS

    RayS A Little Bit Older and a Little Bit Slower Thread Starter

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    Hunter says it is obliquely about Altamont. Not much to go with that clue (at least for me). What in the heck do you think this song is about?

    Mason died on Monday
    We bricked him in the wall
    All his children grew and grew
    They never grew so tall before
    They may never grow so tall again

    We dug him up on Tuesday
    He'd hardly aged a day
    Taught us all we ever knew
    We never knew so much before
    We may never know so much again

    Mason was a mighty man
    A mighty man was he
    All he said: when I'm dead and gone
    don't you weep for me

    The wall collapsed on Wednesday
    We chalked it up to fate
    All his children ran and hid
    We never hid so well before
    Swore we'd never show our face again

    Thursday came and Friday
    with fires tall and bright
    Mason's children cooked the stew
    and cleaned up when the feast was through
    Swore we'd never had such times before

    Take me to the Reaper Man
    to pay back what was loaned
    If he's in some other land
    write it off as stoned

    Mason was a mighty man
    A mighty man was he
    All he said: when I'm dead and gone
    don't you weep for me
     
  2. GAW Jr.

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    Hi Ray,

    Good question, hopefully someone can shed light.

    Composition Credits are: "Garcia, Lesh, Weir, Hunter". Only a few GD songs (such as Truckin') were credited to all four.

    Debut was a few days after Altamont; Here's the live performance history:

    First known performance: December 19, 1969, at the Fillmore Auditorium in San Francisco. "Mason's Children" opened the show, and was followed by "China Cat Sunflower."

    There are fifteen known live performances, all in 1969-1970, after which it was dropped from the repertoire.

    Hunter's noted in the Box of Rain anthology says:

    "An unrecorded GD song dealing obliquely with Altamont".

    Available on: Dick's Picks, Vol. 4 - Recorded on February 13 and February 14, 1970 at the Fillmore East in New York City.
     
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  3. Dahabenzapple

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    One of the greatest Dead tunes of them all.

    Some of the jams were very heated and exciting. Huge shame they stopped playing it so quickly.

    Have no idea what it is about.
     
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  4. pbuzby

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    Pretty sure Hunter played it in a solo acoustic version when I saw him in 1997.
     
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  5. RayS

    RayS A Little Bit Older and a Little Bit Slower Thread Starter

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    Hmmm. Hunter (Meredith Hunter, that is) died on Saturday. And it's a good bet that he wasn't bricked into a wall, and that he stayed quite dead. Jesus died on Friday, and was placed inside a cave. Hmmmm.
     
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  6. TheDailyBuzzherd

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    Now I gotta hear this.
     
  7. sekaer

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    Oh my god, Illuminati alert LOL
     
  8. libertycaps

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    Freemasonic/Kabballah mumbo-jumbo and/or a not so veiled ref to The Family. RH would be the person to ask.
     
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  9. RayS

    RayS A Little Bit Older and a Little Bit Slower Thread Starter

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    The studio version, for any interested parties

     
  10. robcar

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    Left off of Workingman's Dead because it didn't fit, although since that album is only 36 minutes long, including the song would have only made the LP around 40 minutes long.
     
  11. Instant Dharma

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    In think 20 minute sides would have been too long even in 1970. They would also have to make some Edits elsewhere or resequence in order to produce equal sides.
     
  12. libertycaps

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    The Complete Annotated Grateful Dead Lyrics (2005); foreword by Robert Hunter.

    My copy is currently lent out.
     
  13. robcar

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    Right, I don't know about the side balancing without looking at the times of the 8 songs that made the LP. That may well have been the real issue (or they just didn't think the track was up to scratch). There were plenty of longer rock LPs being made at that time, with some even exceeding 50 minutes.
     
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  14. Echoes71

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    As much as I love "Mason's Children," I think it really would have messed up the vibe of Workingman's Dead if they had put it on there. The harmonies certainly fit the rest of the album, but the song itself screams late-60s San Francisco as opposed to the turn of the decade pastoralia that makes Workingman's such a masterpiece.

    Love the lyrics but I can't really contribute anything to the lyrical analysis!
     
  15. libertycaps

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    Left off for good cause. When looking at the other tracks on that seminal LP, it's just not up to snuff.
    Worth a listen, mind...but it's not a good fit imho. Might have worked better on Aoxomoxoa, but that ship had sailed.
     
  16. Instant Dharma

    Instant Dharma Dude/man

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    All these are possible, only 7 or 8 people know the real answer. They might not even know.
     
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  18. sekaer

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    Holy guacamole, maybe Hunter was the Zodiac Killer!
     
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  19. Rfreeman

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    As if the meaning of China Cat Sunflower was crystal clear?
     
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  20. libertycaps

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    Side one
    1. "St. Stephen" 4:26
    2. "Dupree's Diamond Blues" 3:32
    3. "Rosemary" 1:58
    4. "Doin' That Rag" 4:41
    5. "Mountains of the Moon" 4:02
    Side two
    1. "China Cat Sunflower" 3:40
    2. "Mason's Children"
    3. "Cosmic Charlie" 5:29

    Heresy for many, but that works for me.
    I know i've heard a studio "Mason's Children," but i can't seem to locate where it's avail on a retail release now.
    Weird.
     
  21. BurtThomasWard

    BurtThomasWard Guided by Loke In Memoriam

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    Either the remastered Workingman's Dead or the So Many Roads box set.
     
  22. HominyRhodes

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  23. Stone Turntable

    Stone Turntable Independent Head

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    Nothing could be more lucid, specific, and vividly non-nebulous than the lyrics to "China Cat Sunflower." What's unclear about it?

    :agree:
     
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  24. sekaer

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  25. Dennis0675

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    Perfectly clear for me.
     
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