I finally burned an LP scammer on Ebay

Discussion in 'Marketplace Discussions' started by Led9, Sep 7, 2019.

  1. Led9

    Led9 Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    I got caught in the middle of the old empty box scam on Ebay. A buyer known for doing this unfortunately bought a $250 Metallica original "black" double album from me. Claimed it had a pressing flaw and sent it back out to me. I anticipated I would be getting a box with a worthless album in return. This is extremely hard to prove to Ebay. My original plan was to video myself opening the box live but the dope saved me the trouble. I shipped it to him priority so the automatic return label is priority also. He tried to save $5 by dropping the weight down to 9 ounces. Obviously it is impossible to ship even a single album in a box for under 14 ounces. Now the label is the proof and I don't even have to open it to prove it. Had to jump through hoops so far with Ebay but they are taking it seriously and removed a negative feedback the a-hole put up for me. I might be the first victim of the empty box scam to actually get my money back.
     
  2. Cherrycherry

    Cherrycherry Forum Resident

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    For those who dont know, like myself, how exactly does the scam work?
    And what is the ebay handle of said scammer?
     
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  3. Guitarded

    Guitarded Forum Resident

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    I burned an eBay scammer this Spring. Always a nice feeling. Glad you didn't get burned.
     
  4. Led9

    Led9 Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    They buy an expensive album, claim there's something wrong with it, then ship back the box with just cardboard or a worthless LP. Ebay sees that they have done their end of the return and give them their money back and you are out the money and your LP. It's extremely hard to prove that they did this so Ebay always sides with the buyer.
     
  5. Eleventh Earl of Mar

    Eleventh Earl of Mar Somehow got them all this far.

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    For those who don't know

    On eBay, the customer is ALWAYS right, it's stupid easy to buy something, say it's broken and get a full refund on cheap stuff. More valuable stuff needs proof, but eBay is still incredibly strong for the buyer, not the seller and if you bother to send the item back and they have a record of you doing it, that's enough for them to not cross reference what they actually sent.

    Also, yeah - video is the easy way to get that person in trouble but this guy is really lazy.
     
  6. Cherrycherry

    Cherrycherry Forum Resident

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    Woah, wasn't aware of this type of scam.
    Glad you got some evidence to protect yourself.
     
  7. Led9

    Led9 Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    He messed with the wrong record hound! I had to go through 4 people at Ebay to get this taken seriously but I wasn't going to drop it until I burned this guy.
     
  8. Aftermath

    Aftermath Senior Member

    These type of people really are criminals, and it would be great if they were punished as such.
     
  9. Scott in DC

    Scott in DC Forum Resident

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    Thanks for pointing out this issue. I had not heard of this scam before.

    Scott
     
  10. Naughty Chord

    Naughty Chord Hole in my Socrates

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    This is why I stopped selling on eBay tears ago. Still buy all the time. eBay is great for buyers. Congrats OP on getting some rare eBay justice.
     
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  11. zphage

    zphage inappropriately touching the out of touch

    How did you know this buyer had a tendency to do this? Through previous sellers' feedback? If it is insured could you have him on mail fraud also?
     
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  12. Michael

    Michael I LOVE WIDE S-T-E-R-E-O!

    Congrats for being smarter than the rat...
     
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  13. jon9091

    jon9091 Master Of Reality

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    Good for you. That’s awesome! I can’t believe the crap people try to pull.
     
  14. sunking101

    sunking101 Forum Resident

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    It's happened to me with guitars, mobile phones and cameras. I'm scared to sell on Ebay anymore because it's a scammer's paradise. All they have to do is say the goods are faulty or not as described, then so long as they send it registered they can return any old garbage and Ebay will refund them.
     
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  15. Led9

    Led9 Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    In his feedback from sellers he has 3 where sellers claim he pulled the same scam. The problem is you can't leave negative feedback to a buyer so you have to read the actual posts where sellers can write what went on.
     
  16. Chemguy

    Chemguy Forum Resident

    Despicable. Glad you won!
     
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  17. mrjinks

    mrjinks Optimistically Challenged

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    :righton:
     
  18. the pope ondine

    the pope ondine Forum Resident

    jesus, he's done this 4 times and still allowed to buy?
     
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  19. hvbias

    hvbias Forum Resident

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    This is also mail fraud so report him to the appropriate authorities, ie USPS (I would go straight to your post master) and his local police. At least in my county the post master is very good.
     
  20. SJP

    SJP Forum Resident

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    Well done!
     
  21. jon9091

    jon9091 Master Of Reality

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    Can you post his eBay name?
     
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  22. Led9

    Led9 Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    It hasn't been completely resolved yet but once it is I'll post it. And yes I may look into mail fraud.
     
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  23. mrjinks

    mrjinks Optimistically Challenged

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    Slightly OT, but would appreciate some input from members here.

    I bought a collectible 45 ($20 - buy it now) recently. Seller charged $6 shipping (media mail). Purchased/Paid Aug 4. Mailed Aug 29. Received Sep 4 [domestic transaction - USA].

    I typically only leave feedback as a buyer unless seller has already left positive feedback for me (as a seller, I always left immediate positive feedback after payment). Item was as described, and packaged adequately, but I can’t see leaving positive feedback here (there was no warning of delayed shipping). Would you leave positive/negative/neutral feedback in this situation?

    Thanks in advance for any that choose to respond. I’d apologize to the OP for the diversion, but I hope that any threadbumps this gets will give his revenge story more publicity here, so hope he’ll forgive me. :)
     
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  24. Fred68

    Fred68 Loves Music

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    Incredible. Is selling on Discogs equally risky?
     
  25. altaeria

    altaeria Forum Resident

    These a-holes do this on eBay with sports cards too. And sometimes for big bucks. eBay really needs to get its act together and start treating the collectibles markets differently than clothing and housewares. It’s simple- If items are listed under collectibles categories, then the old feedback rules should apply.
     
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