Jethro Tull – Heavy Horses: New Shoes Edition, 5-disc set (9 February 2018)

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  1. Doctor Flang

    Doctor Flang Forum Resident

    Helsinki, Finland
    Mine too. Weird.
  2. geodos

    geodos Forum Resident

    Long Island NY
    I originally stated my dvd was free of defects. After playing it with no issues, I inspected it again under better lighting, and and see the same thing. Definitely a manufacturing issue.
  3. tlake6659

    tlake6659 Forum Resident

    The original mix is the best I've ever heard it sound on the DVD.
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  4. tootull

    tootull John Norman

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  5. milco

    milco Forum Resident

    This is just my 2p-worth on listening to the remix for the first time and comparing it with the 2003 remaster (which is the only version I have ever heard prior to today):

    Volume-wise there's not much in it. The 2003 is slightly louder, but there isn't a huge difference. I have always thought the 2003 remaster a bit thin and 'toppy' with a real lack of bottom end. I always have to turn the bass up a notch or two on my amp every time I play it just to get some oomph and to make the thing sing. The remix is altogether better in the bass department and gives the overall sound a much better foundation. Mid-range is crisp and clear as a bell and the top end is very 'present' but nice and sweet. The level of clarity and separation is what really makes the remix stand out, though. Vocals have more detail, individual instruments have real definition and the whole soundscape really comes together and delivers a 3D, musical 'performance' rather than a flat image...

    ...can you tell I like it quite a lot? I only have a relatively modest hi-fi system, but all the improvements I had hoped for, having lived with the 2003 remaster for several years, are present in the remix. I'm off to pour myself a glass of wine play some more!
  6. MikeManaic61

    MikeManaic61 Forum Resident

    Good Grief! The mid range, low bass, top-end etc... How do you guys know this stuff? What software do ya'll use? lol

    P.S. Compared to most of the Jethro Tull remasters over a decade ago, i thought Heavy Horses (2003) was the most decent sounding.

    PROGGER Forum Resident

    It’s damn cool. I love Stitch in time more than anything. Awesome track
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  8. slipkid

    slipkid Forum Resident

    Yup, me three. Although I have more of it than that scattered around plus some of it is more oblong shaped.
  9. folkfreak

    folkfreak Forum Resident

    Thats true. If you compare that to the flat transfer its astonishing how equal the overall tonailty is. Especially compared to the brightness excess of Songs from the wood remaster
  10. My copy hasn't arrived yet but when it does I hope I get oblong shaped scuffs or I am going to feel ripped off. :winkgrin:
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  11. Barnabas Collins

    Barnabas Collins Forum Resident

    My DVD 2 has the scuffs but plays fine. To me, this is another reason these Tull sets should have gone blu ray at some point as King Crimson did. I own and have played hundreds of BDs and have never had a single disc that was scratched or scuffed. If Marillion can afford to do blu-ray, I would think Tull could as well.
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  12. Coricama

    Coricama Classic Rocker

    Marietta, GA
    Just got my copy and it does indeed have the scuffs (or whatever). Still listening to DVD 1. I hope disc 2 plays better than it looks.
  13. BwanaBob

    BwanaBob Forum Resident

    Maryland, USA
    As for Stormwatch, I hope they find and use the longer version of Stitch.
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  14. Kim Olesen

    Kim Olesen Forum Resident

    Odense Denmark.
    Botanic Man is a really beautiful song.
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  15. Kim Olesen

    Kim Olesen Forum Resident

    Odense Denmark.
    The start of the Horse Hoing Husbandry verses reminds me strongly of another JT song. At first i thought it was Dark Ages but after searching for the culprit i found it was And Further On.
  16. SJB

    SJB Beloved Parasitic Nuisance

    I do too. If anyone here gets the RSD Moths EP, please check back in and let us know if it's the long version.

    Of course, it's not really a question of "finding" the longer version - it's the same master recording, with a couple of bits that were edited out of the more common short version. Basically, the long version has a few more repeats of the chorus - one with just vocals and bass, and the others at the end in a slightly longer fade. Unless the multis are missing, Wilson would remix the track along with the other material, and he has tended to go long rather than cut out material from the original mixes. (The two exceptions that come to mind are inconsequential - the "yeah" at the end of Thick as a Brick, and the wobbly synth figure that marked the end of side 1 of A Passion Play.)

    Regarding the use of Berne recordings on Bursting Out, the book says five track were used: “most of the Flute Solo, Cross-Eyed Mary, Too Old To Rock’n’Roll, Aqualung, and Locomotive Breath/The Dambusters March” (thanks to mshare for first posting this information). But as I listen to the Berne recordings, I'm identifying several more. "No Lullaby," "Skating Away...," and at least significant portions of "Thick as a Brick," "Quatrain" and "Conundrum." Ian's spoken introductions to "Skating..." and "...Brick" are quite definitely the same. There are slight musical differences here and there (like a bum note in the "Brick" intro), but those can be attributed to the post-production "sweetening" discussed at some length in the book.
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  17. ChrisH

    ChrisH Well-Known Member

    United Kingdom
    After listening to Bursting Out for years I was surprised to hear the abrupt silence from Berne between No Lullaby and Sweet Dream. Also the beginning 'shout'of Cross Eyed Mary doesn't sound the same. Audio sweetening ?
  18. electronicpaperboy

    electronicpaperboy Forum Resident

    I couldn't decide which one at first, decided it was a mix of the two. As this predates the two aforementioned tracks, It an interesting link to later stuff and a strong track in its own right.
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  19. Plan9

    Plan9 Mastering Engineer

    Toulouse, France
    To be clear, this was a mastering mistake.
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  20. bibliotudinous

    bibliotudinous Music Freak

    Sonoma County, CA
    That's what I was thinking; in fact, I replaced the Bursting Out discs with the Bern discs in the jewel case.
  21. Who'sTommy

    Who'sTommy Forum Resident

    The Netherlands
    They should have used a different concert from that tour, instead of the Berne show. I don't need to hear "did you give it a good shake?" again...
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  22. electronicpaperboy

    electronicpaperboy Forum Resident

    This is Ian Anderson. I'm sure he used the same running gag, again and again and......during the tour. There would be no escape!
  23. Keith V

    Keith V Forum Resident

    Jersey City, NJ
    That’s true. I remember buying A Little Light Music before I saw them in 92 and basically saw the same show with the same banter.
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  24. SJB

    SJB Beloved Parasitic Nuisance

    Even in the early 1970s, Ian was criticized for using the same canned banter every night.
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  25. pbuzby

    pbuzby Forum Resident

    Chicago, IL, US
    Not the only musician who did so. I guess if the previous poster doesn't care for the "good shake" joke he should avoid the Seattle 1975 recording where Ian discusses how his manhood compares with David Bowie's.
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